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where are all the 13 inch tires
« on: May 05, 2016, 08:47:00 AM »
Need tires no one as them new for sale
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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2016, 10:30:46 AM »
I know , you can find the smaller 13 inch tire but not the good ones , (unless you live overseas ) a few years ago I had a hard time finding the 195 / 70 / R13 , that I had on mine , and think I got the last set but last year I ran over a lawn mower deck that fell out of some jerks truck and blew out a tire , got three good used ones if anybody is interested ,
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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2016, 10:34:13 AM »
They still make them for sale in England and Mexico. I just bought a set of 205-60-13 off of E-bay that were made in USA. Keep looking.
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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2016, 10:37:57 AM »
Note: I'm assuming that looking at the image of your car you are looking for tires that are wider/lower profile than stock.
They are out there, but they are off brand names sold through more obscure internet sellers. Note that even the Tire Rack mostly has racing oriented 13" tires or stock sized tires. The Federal Formoza brand is one of the more typical. Here is an example in 205-60-13" http://superbuytires.com/tires/model/Federal/FORMOZA+FD1/?tire_specs_id=280546&show_sizes=Y

If you are just driving around town asking for 13" tire you will likely get a big "NO." If you go to the name internet sites the chances are slim.  But internet searches will provide you with sources like I describe.  Generally expect to pay $50-$60 plus shipping.

My collector cars see about 200 miles a year. So, I've resorted to buying 13" tires (used) as I find them.  Craigslist has provided 3 virtually new 175-70-13 Sumitumo HTR200's, all for $35. Pick Your Part has provided 2 of the same Sumitumo HTR200's in 205-60-13 for about $11 each. I've also gotten 3 of the Federal Formoza 205-60-13 tires mentioned above at a swap meet, $30 for all.  My Pinto and my Sunbeam Tiger share the same 13" tires and bolt pattern so I have lots of opportunity to "mix N' match."

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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2016, 11:51:38 AM »
I'm on pro meter brand now.

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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2016, 12:31:37 PM »
Here are a few original sized tires. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like any of these are made in the USA. Also, my local America's Tire dealer had 13" tires available to order.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=175%2F&ratio=70&diameter=13&rearWidth=255%2F&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&zip-code=

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=185%2F&ratio=70&diameter=13&rearWidth=255%2F&rearRatio=40&rearDiameter=17&zip-code=


I ended up going with 15" wheels, for a selection of higher performance tires. I purchased a set of 195/55-15 BFG Sport Comp2's. It's an excellent tire and USA made.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force+Sport+COMP-2&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=955VR5GFSPC2&tab=Specs

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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2016, 02:07:16 PM »
looked on line also and found the same , yes you can get the opt tire (195/70/R13 ) but you have to order around 500 of them from overseas ,  I now got 205/60/R15 all around now , but one day someone might buy a container load of the hard to get tires ,
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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2016, 05:05:33 PM »
One fellow found me some for 180.00 a tire , that`s a insane price
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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2016, 05:20:12 PM »
Wow... sounds like a Coker reproduction tire.
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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2016, 07:41:56 PM »
I was hoping this thread would get me the tires I need for my wagon, but NOOOOO  ;D I see some of you went with a 15" tire. What rotor/hub axle to you use to get them to accept the 15" rim?
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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2016, 11:37:43 AM »
The wheel does not dictate the hub/axle. Rather it is the other way around. The criteria is:

1. 4.25" (108mm) X 4 bolt pattern.

2.  The wheel center hole ideally matching the Pinto size - otherwise larger than... with lug-centric bolting.

3. Appropriate wheel offset to avoid suspension or body contact.

The Pinto has rather generous wheel openings. 15" tires, as long as sized appropriately should fit without much concern. As far as the rotors go, you are only increasing the distance in the vertical plane. The only concern would be the center section of the wheel possibly hitting the caliper. But, being most cars today have a similar arrangement a large majority of wheels should fit.  The wheels/tires in my side image are 225-60-15" with aftermarket alloy wheels from a 80's era T-Bird.  I didn't like the look much so they are no longer in use.

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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2016, 11:59:33 AM »
I've two 13" tires off the rim I'd be looking to sell, tires look brand new. I've also got a set 14" tires off a Ford Mustang with the same bolt pattern as the Pinto I'm looking to lose, big/little's. Call me if you interested, I'll be at Carlisle this next month I can bring them with me.


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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2016, 10:32:59 AM »
I just bought five new ones for a project I'm working on - whitewalls, no less - on eBay.  17580R13 to go on stock steel wheels for a stock look.  I haven't really spoken about this project yet - too soon to divulge details, but it's one I'm definitely excited about!


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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2016, 01:21:23 AM »
Ever since someone reminded our Govt that larger & narrower diameter wheels got better gas mileage & actually saved wear & tear on the vehicles,(if geared correctly for engine rpm/torques)...
W.Bush signed in a "Large Wheel Reg" so that Car Makers had to build vehicles with larger tires(of course like everything Govt touches, it became MORE expensive also, & Tire Makers began dropping the smaller sized tires altogether). Sorry about that Folks.. but I've been trying to get people to understand this since the 70's.. Now if I can just get people to understand that waiting for Govt to fix things isn't the answer..

..anyways..

If a 13" tire/wheel is what you're insisting on for your Pinto projects,(I don't understand 'why'.. this design still allows larger diameter wheels without reworking the body/suspension like in newer cars..), you'll likely have to "Special Order" them from U.S. Tire Makers in the near future, or risk running "Trailer Tires" on these cars. I recommend trading up the Pinto rims to something 15" & a narrow/shallow profile tire instead. (I've already been this avenue on a few Aircooled-VW projects I've done). Either that or figure out out to keep Govt & Corporate/Industries from "Key-holing" your choices in life.

..Oh & if there is anyone that's still insisting on those cute lil' 13" stock sized tires for their Pinto, I've a set of 13" AL Dish "Ford Pinto"(actually Labeled-"Ford" on the inside of the wheels), rims I can be talked out of soon. ;) Let me know in a PM, if you wish.

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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2016, 05:34:24 PM »

If a 13" tire/wheel is what you're insisting on for your Pinto projects,(I don't understand 'why'.. this design still allows larger diameter wheels without reworking the body/suspension like in newer cars..)

Actually, I DO insist on it because I want my car to remain as stock as possible.  I think it's great that the Pinto design lends itself well to using larger wheels and tires but, no matter what anyone says, they never look stock when you do.  I think the big problem is that I'm old enough to remember what these things looked like coming out the factory... and bought one new in 1974 when I was sixteen.  Stock appearance isn't important to everyone but, for those to whom it is, it is non-negotiable.  That's why.

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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2016, 06:09:29 PM »
It's perfectly understandable wanting to keep your pinto as stock as possible, which is why I mentioned doing so,(and why I'm offering a set of 13" AL Ford Rims for them, to whomever might wish to purchase them.). ;)

As for my Lil'Pony, I'm afraid I might have too much that needs to be replaced on/in it & I'm still trying to work within a budget too. So keeping it perfectly stock just may not be in the cards.. That, & I happen to think this lil Porthole Wagon would make just the Cutest Lil'Pony-Hot Rod! lol I might as well Hot-Rod it, it started it's life as a Squire Wagon & I just can't bring myself to glue the "Faux-Wood-Crate" back onto it. lol

Now for me comes the hard part.. Finding a Cologne/Germany, 2.9L V-6 engine that will mate straight up to the C-4 auto-trans that's in it at this time. I'm still trying to find out just what years the Ranger engines that will mate into the 73 Pinto.. Then I guess the second challenges will be headers & the engine accessory brackets that will also fit under the hood. The Body-work,(air dams, wheel-flares, hood-scoop, front-grill, etc), I can all make from scratch & mold in very well. I can even do my own paint job, including air-brushing my own design details on 'er.

But if anyone has any 2.9L engine mating specs they might share, I'd be most grateful.. and Many Thanks. ;)

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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2016, 06:25:18 PM »
It's perfectly understandable wanting to keep your pinto as stock as possible, which is why I mentioned doing so,(and why I'm offering a set of 13" AL Ford Rims for them, to whomever might wish to purchase them.). ;)

As for my Lil'Pony, I'm afraid I might have too much that needs to be replaced on/in it & I'm still trying to work within a budget too. So keeping it perfectly stock just may not be in the cards.. That, & I happen to think this lil Porthole Wagon would make just the Cutest Lil'Pony-Hot Rod! lol I might as well Hot-Rod it, it started it's life as a Squire Wagon & I just can't bring myself to glue the "Faux-Wood-Crate" back onto it. lol

Now for me comes the hard part.. Finding a Cologne/Germany, 2.9L V-6 engine that will mate straight up to the C-4 auto-trans that's in it at this time. I'm still trying to find out just what years the Ranger engines that will mate into the 73 Pinto.. Then I guess the second challenges will be headers & the engine accessory brackets that will also fit under the hood. The Body-work,(air dams, wheel-flares, hood-scoop, front-grill, etc), I can all make from scratch & mold in very well. I can even do my own paint job, including air-brushing my own design details on 'er.

But if anyone has any 2.9L engine mating specs they might share, I'd be most grateful.. and Many Thanks. ;)

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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2016, 10:14:40 PM »
If got a C-4 off of a 2.8 in a pinto or mustang II, it will bolt to the 2.9. Flywheel also , you also have to use the 2.8 oil pan ,

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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2016, 02:39:24 PM »
personally going to up grade to 4 lug 15" mags / bean holes - 15" tires WAY!!! easier to find a TON of different sizes plus can still get raised white letters - and going to mount factory center caps to 15" wheel so will still have a "factory look" my last set of 13" bfg goodrich tires separated and are over 15 years old!!  but good luck to your search!!!
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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2016, 07:54:35 AM »
currently Walmart's across the USA are closing out Douglass Xtract II tires - I just picked up 6 - 175/70/13's for $21 each and 2 - 155/80/13's for $19 each. I also picked up a couple 14's last weekend for one of my Pinto's for around $25 each. Might be worth checking your local Walmart while supplies last...
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Re: where are all the 13 inch tires
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2016, 07:02:24 PM »
Hi Brian!  Long time, no see.  Thanks for the good information!


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