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What is this?
« on: January 03, 2013, 10:02:04 PM »
What is this mystery thing and what does it do? The belt is very worn out but I'm not even sure what it does.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2013, 10:31:35 PM »
I know, I know what this is!!!

It is a smog pump!!!!  Mine was loose and making a funny noise!!!

I wish we did not need these stupid things....
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2013, 10:33:00 PM »
I know, I know what this is!!!

It is a smog pump!!!!  Mine was loose and making a funny noise!!!

I wish we did not need these stupid things....
Hehehe.. How I love living in Ohio where we do not need those stupid things...  ;D
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2013, 10:35:31 PM »
Oookay! I thought that could possibly be what it was but wasn't sure. I'm in Alabama so it can go  ;D
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2013, 10:39:07 PM »
You guys are rubbing this in!!!!  The smog pump, probably many of those vacuum lines....can go
Your car will run better and get better gas mileage!!!  Ohhhh, I'm getting sick...
 
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 08:18:49 AM »
If you want or need to maintain the stock appearance without the drag on the engine take the pump apart and remove the thin plastic vanes that "pump" the air. The unit looks correct but with out the vanes there is no resistance on the engine.

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2013, 06:27:59 PM »
Do not be so sure that the engine will run better with out the smog equipment..

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2013, 11:00:11 PM »
Could it possibly hurt performance?
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2013, 01:55:14 AM »
The smog pump is designed to add air to the exhaust to help with emissions. If you take that away,(and if conditions are right) it could possible lead to a cat failure which in turn could restrict exhaust flow causing the fuel mileage to get crappy etc etc etc. If you don't have emissions in your state and your going to remove the smog pump also remove the cat.

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2013, 09:26:01 AM »
Okay. I believe the cat to be original so I'll either remove it or replace it. Depending on what I do with the smog pump.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2013, 09:47:17 AM »
Ok.  I figured you have to prep or do other things when you remove the stupid smog system.  Unfortunately you just can't rip it out!!!   Weeeeee!!!  I would love to do that!!!
 
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2013, 12:16:21 PM »
 Because the A.I.R (smog pump) does nothing until combustion has already taken place, IMHO it has very little (if any) affect on engine performance
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2013, 03:00:43 PM »
Because the A.I.R (smog pump) does nothing until combustion has already taken place, IMHO it has very little (if any) affect on engine performance

By itself, no. It works in conjunction with the distributor curve, advance controlled by the Duraspark box & all those vacuum lines & sensors that modify the vacuum advance to change timing under load as well as change air/fuel ratios in the carb.
 
My solution has always been to eliminate EVERYTHING at once including the cat to avoid any issues. My 60K mile '76 wagon is missing the cat & the AIR pump is gone & all the vacuum lines are history but it still has the stock carb, distributor & electronic box. I got it this way & set the timing at the belt & distributor(they were both way off) & spray cleaned the carb & it runs great & idles smooth but I only get 17 mpg out of it. I figure this is due to the stock emissions carb & ignition system getting & giving false signals at cruising rpm at highway speeds. 
 
I bought an NOS '73 carb for a 2.0, a new '74 2.3L distributor & will get a '74 spark box & put it all on in the spring. I expect  my fuel mileage to jump to 23-26 mpg once it's running all pre-emission parts.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2013, 10:20:44 PM »
  My 60K mile '76 wagon is missing the cat & the AIR pump is gone & all the vacuum lines are history but it still has the stock carb, distributor & electronic box. I got it this way & set the timing at the belt & distributor(they were both way off) & spray cleaned the carb & it runs great & idles smooth but I only get 17 mpg out of it.
Is that 17mpg in the city or on the highway?  I can get about 21 in the city with a stock 157k mile 2.3 with the emissions crap on it.  One thing that killed the mileage a lot in cold weather was an overly rich choke (pulloff needed to be tweaked open more than the service manual instructs), and the EGR temperature switch that activated EGR when it was too cold.

Therefore you might want to check everything else before pulling parts off.  Since yours only has 60k on it, has the timing belt and valve seals been changed? 

If you procede with the emissions strippage, please post a progress thread, as I might be interested in doing this, too it is really helps it. 
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2013, 01:00:04 AM »
Is that 17mpg in the city or on the highway?  I can get about 21 in the city with a stock 157k mile 2.3 with the emissions crap on it.  One thing that killed the mileage a lot in cold weather was an overly rich choke (pulloff needed to be tweaked open more than the service manual instructs), and the EGR temperature switch that activated EGR when it was too cold.

Therefore you might want to check everything else before pulling parts off.  Since yours only has 60k on it, has the timing belt and valve seals been changed? 

If you procede with the emissions strippage, please post a progress thread, as I might be interested in doing this, too it is really helps it.

My AIR pump, cat & all the vacuum lines were removed before I bought it. It sat in the corner of a bodyshop almost 15 years before I got it. It had a new timing belt but was off by almost 30 degrees & the distributor was advanced so far I'm amazed it ran to get it home. I got the timing dead-on & installed a new water pump, hoses, thermostat, radiator & belts while I was under the hood. I also changed the oil & filter which looked clean considering it probably hadn't been changed in the 15 years that it sat.
 
This engine fires right up without a hint of oil smoke & idles as smooth as any new car I've ever had. It holds almost 50 psi oil pressure hot & rarely goes above 170 degree temps even in 80 degree weather thanks to the new parts. It gets 17 mpg highway & falls to 14 around town. It's an auto trans car with 3.00 rear but this mileage stinks even for anautomatic wagon.
 
All the vacuum lines that send signals to the stock carb are capped & only a single vacuum line goes to the distributor now. I'm sure the ignition box has pre-set curves based on emissions for '76 & with all the sending units no longer getting vacuum or sending the correct electrical impulses where they need to go I doubt the engines running optimally at cruising speeds. I suspect it goes from rich to lean constantly as I drive though the plugs read perfect when I checked their color.
 
In '74 only California cars got AIR pumps but all Pintos had cats. The ignition should have a very simple advance curve based on RPM & swapping to it should eliminate emissions calibrations. I picked up an NOS water choke '73 2.0 carb that's pre emissions so that should eliminate the vacuum headaches of the stock carb. Everything I can find says it has the same CFM rating as the stock 2.3 carb & it's physically identical other than having a lot less vacuum ports. I can't wait to swap these parts on in the spring & finally get this car up to it's potential. 
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2013, 06:43:36 PM »
Neither of my two '74s have catalytic converters. It doesn't look like they ever had them.  I thought they put them in Pintos in the '75 model year and up.

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2013, 03:08:17 AM »
Neither of my two '74s have catalytic converters. It doesn't look like they ever had them.  I thought they put them in Pintos in the '75 model year and up.

you are correct , Becky. 1975 & newer.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2013, 09:15:18 AM »

you are correct , Becky. 1975 & newer.

I thought all Fords got them in '74. I seem to remember my moms '74 Maverick having a cat.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2013, 01:07:11 PM »
well jennifer my wagon came from idaho its a 77 and has no smog pump. yet it can pass ca smog. federal cars didnt need it.ac compressor is sitting where the smog pump might go.then again if ca would raise the age to say 1980or 1985 or older no more smog checks the would be great.  chris
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2013, 04:28:12 PM »
 Now that were on t his subject, my 1978 Pinto wagon is missing the air reactor pump and diverter valve and vac hoses. In St Louis my car is old enough it doesnt have to pass emissions now. Can y ou believe it wont pass the safety part because some emissions parts are off of it? Do they do this sort of thing just to be cruel or what

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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2013, 07:34:16 PM »
Now that were on t his subject, my 1978 Pinto wagon is missing the air reactor pump and diverter valve and vac hoses. In St Louis my car is old enough it doesnt have to pass emissions now. Can y ou believe it wont pass the safety part because some emissions parts are off of it? Do they do this sort of thing just to be cruel or what
Unfortunately, this is the law in most areas, including TX.  It may not have to have an emissions test done, but still needs to pass a visual check to make sure the parts are there and hooked up.  Also, the car cannot be smoking or running rough, obvious emission issues. 

Try getting you inspection at a different place who might 'bend the rules'.  The place I go has an old car buff doing inspections and he often does not even pop the hood on mine!   Of course he knows me well with my fleet of old vehicles....
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2013, 07:48:39 PM »
  I know a place here I go to :) When I stayed in a small town in Kentucky for a while (Shelbyville) all they did for an inspection was come out of the sheriffs office poke their head in the window write down the mileage and hand you a paper. I walked across the street and got my plates. I like places like that.

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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2013, 08:58:08 PM »
Toni, I wish I knew a place like that!!!
 
Chris, I wish they would finally pass that law stating that 1985 cars and older don't need smog checks.  But I don't think that will happen because they want the old cars off the road. 

It is our job to keep putting them back on the road!!!!  :D
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2013, 09:28:22 PM »
Toni, I wish I knew a place like that!!!
 
Chris, I wish they would finally pass that law stating that 1985 cars and older don't need smog checks.  But I don't think that will happen because they want the old cars off the road. 

It is our job to keep putting them back on the road!!!!  :D

I could explain Agenda 21 & the plans to restrict our freedom to drive anywhere or anytime we please or putting GPS tracking in our cars to track & tax us for driving or to make gas so expensive that we will actually want that crappy Volt in our driveways instead of our Pintos but then I suspect this whole thread would disappear like any other that points out what's being done to us against our will. Emission checks & visual inspections are chump change compared to what's on the way.....
 
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2013, 10:34:40 PM »
That's the good thing about car people... we're small change in the classic car department, numbers-wise, but there are a lot of folks who own and drive old cars not because they have to, but because they want to. You better believe there are car lobbies like there are gun lobbies and other powerful groups like that. I do think people like us can and will stand up to Big Government and fight for the right to drive the cars we love. Of course I might be living in a dream world... but there's lots of money in classic cars,  and we vote too! >:(
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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2013, 11:25:50 PM »
I do think people like us can and will stand up to Big Government and fight for the right to drive the cars we love. Of course I might be living in a dream world... but there's lots of money in classic cars,  and we vote too! >:(

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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2013, 03:29:45 PM »
I bought my '75 almost a year ago..and upon seeing the picture though 'Uhhhh...is that what I should hav had in mine??' Way ta scare a guy, California!
 I has no cat either though..
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2013, 03:40:03 PM »
I bought my '75 almost a year ago..and upon seeing the picture though 'Uhhhh...is that what I should hav had in mine??' Way ta scare a guy, California!
 I has no cat either though..

Is yours a California car?  I'm not sure you need Cali equipment on a car originally sold outside the state when it's that old. There are a few loopholes but not many.
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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2013, 10:39:54 PM »
Naa, mine was sold outta Festus, MO. I was wondering if it originally had a cat (not like I'd re-install..but curious is all) or not. I heard from someone that cars 1975 and up had 'em..but I dunno. My '74 Econoline  E-100 never had one, and it was bone stock bumper to bumper.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2013, 10:55:57 AM »
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"I could explain Agenda 21 & the plans to restrict our freedom to drive anywhere or anytime we please or putting GPS tracking in our cars to track & tax us for driving or to make gas so expensive that we will actually want that crappy Volt in our driveways instead of our Pintos but then I suspect this whole thread would disappear like any other that points out what's being done to us against our will. Emission checks & visual inspections are chump change compared to what's on the way.....
 
I'm sure I'll now get a nasty PM or this comment will be deleted or both but that doesn't make my point less valid.

I used to believe my voice mattered but the last 20 years & ESPECIALLY the last 4 years have taught me otherwise. For my belief in a balanced budget & constitutional limits on the size & scope of the federal government I've been openly mocked by the media & been called a domestic terrorist by this president & labeled as dangerous. As far as "our rights ??" they are now subject to interpretation by 537 rulers & a supreme court that has no clue where their powers end. Frankly, I'm terrified of where we are heading."

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 David Byrne

First, Agenda 21 is pure Right Wing nutjobbery, seek other sources for your information. You and many others have been PLAYED by the propaganda of the Glenn Beck wing of the nutty Right.

Second, the majority of us elected a black man as President, twice. GET OVER IT.

Third, where was your concern for deficits and corruption under Bush?(13 trillion dollar debt, economy crashing, 750,000 job loses a month on the day Obama took office, but it was all his fault, right) It is Bush and his cronies who created the current situation and crashed the economy. It's like you hold the janitor responsible for not cleaning up the mess the Republican party made of the country fast enough.

Fourth, I don't come to Fordpinto.com to be assaulted by Right Wing woo and I doubt many others do, either. If that is what you seek, go elsewhere. I am tired of Right Wing lies and stupidity spilling over where it does not belong, it is putrid drivel that is best left in the cesspools of the internet where those who seek it can swim in crap to their hearts content.

Grumpy
79 Pinto Hatch, Yellow w/White Pony stripes, Pony wheels, 6650 miles