I have searched, but didn't find an answer to my questions below. But then I am an idiot, so I may have missed it. 

On a 74, so same as MII.

I came across this on the Mustang  II Tech site, but couldn't find any other information on using the Granada calipers. And yes, I am stealing this quote from there.  I can't find my old user id to post there, plus I am not sure how active that place is anymore. And this post was several years old.

"If you are interested in the 5 lug wheels, you can upgrade to Granada brakes, and get 5 lugs at the same time. I did this on my 1976 coupe, that I had before the Cobra. You need the Granada discs with bearings , from a wrecking yard, and the brake mounting brackets. Your Mustang calipers will fit the brackets, or you can use the Granada calipers. You will need larger wheels, but that is the point of the 5 lug upgrade, to go bigger than the 13 inch wheel. I might do this on the Cobra, I have seen a Monarch in the pick-a part yard. It should have the Granada type brakes. You will need to use the Granada brake pads."

Question I have is has anyone done this using all the Granada parts? I've seen several posts where it mentions using an aftermarket mounting bracket and a metric GM caliper, not wanting to do that if I don't have to. The Speedway kit I have planned on getting does use the GM metric calipers. Obviously the author of the post I am quoting didn't mention if he had to make any changes to use the Granada mounts.

Current plan is to get the Speedway motors kit, but if I can do this using all Granada parts that would be more fun. And cheaper most likely. Also easier to remember what to get when replacement time comes around.

Somehow I am doubting this is that easy, or else why are the adapters being sold to use the GM calipers?

Thanks,
Russ

You're probably right. I am so used to seeing Granada's everywhere, but around here at least they are still being driven.

My main interest would be if using the Granada caliper mounting brackets would work. I'd be using new for everything else.

This sounds just like my big brake dilemma for my 72 Ranchero. Easy swap is to use 72 ONLY Ford Thunderbird 12 inch rotors and caliper mounting brackets, the Ranchero calipers are kept. However, finding the mounting brackets is impossible now, and even the rotors are very scarce and extremely expensive ($150 - 200 each, at least) new. One year only stuff. I could change my spindles to the 73-up Torino/Ranchero ones and then there are other options, but I didn't/don't want to do that.
The ideal thing with the 72 Tbird swap is that year is still the 5x4.5 lug pattern. Most other options require going to the 5x5 lug pattern, and I won't do that.

I tend to find out about/want to do these things when it is too late. 

For the Ranchero I will most likely just look into better pads while still hoping to find the Tbird stuff at some point. The Pinto is probably going to end up with the Speedway kit, I've been pricing it out individually on different sites and it just makes more sense to buy the complete kit with the hoses included. Not too much more than the individual components and I'd still have to come up with the hoses. With the plan being a 351C engine, I NEED better brakes. 

I just really like to keep things all Ford, but it isn't always possible.

Thanks,
Russ

I really don't know.
The OP in the thread from the MII site that said he did that only posted 3 times, and all over 3 years ago. He never followed up with how he did it, so I can't be sure if he was correct.
It was the MII spindle with the Granada caliper and bracket in his post.

Sounds like it will just be easier to buy a kit. Twenty years ago it might have been a different story.

Thanks,
Russ

I have a question, will the spindle from a Granada fit?? If so can't we just use the entire setup? If not why can't we use the spindle??

You might be able to answer that yourself. I note that you have a '65 Falcon.  My understanding was that the Granada set up was a bolt in for the Mustang/Falcon etc.  So, if you notice a strong similarity between the Falcon and the Pinto spindle (height, ball joints etc.) the possibility increases.  My guess is, "No." It has not come up in the 10 years that I've been here.

From what I see of the Speedway kit being around $250 and you get new "everything" it seems pretty reasonable. And I say that being notorious for being CHEAP.  Too bad there doesn't seem to be 4 X 4.25 kit.  Strange because that is the native bolt pattern for the system it is built off of.

I don't know about elsewhere, but no parts store here stocks Granada-specific parts. GM calipers, OTOH, were on the shelf at my local O'Relly's. That same store used to stock plenty of nothing until they ran out. I still ordered it all from Rock Auto, though. Cost 70% less and came in two days.

I really, really wanted to keep it all Ford. The steep uphill battle required to do that made me realize that there are very practical reasons for not.

I'll be tackling my front brakes this weekend, so I'll probably have something to report regarding how it went.

Given that I have two sets of Pinto/Mustang II Rallye wheels, a set of classic Cosmic wheels, a set of Mustang SSP lookalike wheels and lastly a set of 90's alloy wheels - all in the 4 X 4.25 bolt, the 5 bolt offerings don't interest me.  The fact that all these wheels match the bolt pattern of my Sunbeam Tiger... makes the 5 bolt even less so.

I wonder if Speedway will do a special drilled set for not too much more?  My understanding is that the 108mm bolt pattern is very close.  Maybe there is something in that size that works for those desiring to retain the 4 X 4.25 pattern.  I believe there is a rear disc conversion for the Tiger that used Fiat discs.

A Pinto/MII/Granada rotor with a 5 x 4.25" circle (if they exist, haven't looked) might have the possibility of being redrilled. That will leave about 0.150-0.165" between two close holes.

Given that I have two sets of Pinto/Mustang II Rallye wheels, a set of classic Cosmic wheels, a set of Mustang SSP lookalike wheels and lastly a set of 90's alloy wheels - all in the 4 X 4.25 bolt, the 5 bolt offerings don't interest me.  The fact that all these wheels match the bolt pattern of my Sunbeam Tiger... makes the 5 bolt even less so.

I wonder if Speedway will do a special drilled set for not too much more?  My understanding is that the 108mm bolt pattern is very close.  Maybe there is something in that size that works for those desiring to retain the 4 X 4.25 pattern.  I believe there is a rear disc conversion for the Tiger that used Fiat discs.

   Wheels and rotors are not the problem anymore! Tires or the lack of 13" tires are the big problem now days. I bought the last set of 205/60/13 tires I could find in the US of A. I have read that 13" tires are still made in Mexico and England but getting them here is an high $$$$ problem. Any body out there have an answer?

   Wheels and rotors are not the problem anymore! Tires or the lack of 13" tires are the big problem now days. I bought the last set of 205/60/13 tires I could find in the US of A. I have read that 13" tires are still made in Mexico and England but getting them here is an high $$$$ problem. Any body out there have an answer?

I have a used set of  vintage 205/60 -13 Yokohama 001R that I bought in 1988, some miles of Solo 2 . I took em off to run slicks in E/Prepared. I'm sure they are Waaaay hard now. Bagged since summer '88, but was going to use for street car.. Ahh!!!  good intentions and the road to Hell You know
 Old Shoes and tired riders live in my barnyard

I found this thread and Dick1172762 said that you can use the spindle/caliper/brackets with ball joint upgrades. can anyone please confirm this??

http://www.fordpinto.com/pinto-faq/front-disc-brakes-(4-5-lug)/

Recently we had an interesting discussion over on my Sunbeam Tiger side of life.  It regarded the upgrading of the stock Tiger brakes.  The argument stemmed around the fact that there are really two elements involved in braking. The brakes and the tires.  The point was presented that if the brakes could be made to lock up that the tires became the limiting factor in stopping the car. Hence, improving the brakes benefited nothing.  Where as repeated braking causes fade and thus an upgrade compensated for the generated heat in typical street applications it was not likely to be a problem.

If all that were true (I'm not taking either side, just presenting the points made) what the average driver really needs to better brake feel rather that overall braking capability. And that comes about with a proper cylinder diameter and booster.  I find it interesting that my daily driver (2000 Mazda Protege) seemingly has brakes no bigger than the Pinto and is likely in a similar weight category, if not heavier than the Pinto.  Yet it is the best stopping car I have ever owned. In that regard it is significantly better than my wife's 2010 Civic.

Question, were any of the early Pinto's fitted with boosted brakes?  I'll be the first to admit that my non-boosted '73 (disc front) brake seem very marginal. But, I'm wondering if the lack of a booster is the greater problem?

What I should have also said was this was only on race cars and not cars driven on city streets. By using the entire spindle / caliper / rotor / assy /  you will end up with the upper control arm at an greater angle than stock and while ok on a race track, who knows if used on the street. Upper ball joint could make a clearance problem with the wheels or tires, maybe both. Sorry!

I am planning on going with 17 inch wheels, im not sure if Ill run into this problem?

Fitment is all about clearances at the suspension and fender openings. You can have a tall 14", 75 series tire and have as much an issue as a 17" tire with a 40 (or less) series tire.  The problem that you will have with the latter is that Dick and I will groan about the wagon wheel sized rim with the forklift like aspect ratio tires.  LOL

Although I can see the relativity of the brake/lug pattern dilemma, I too will groan at anything over 15 inch.  When will the folks offer the 13" tires affordably from across the Pond?  A good friend even re-arched the front fenders on his Sunbeam Tiger to clear 13X8 3 piece Revolution wheels with chunky tires and to miss the tie rod knuckle for Solo 2 street prepared back in the 80's. The Back was going to 13X10's and a mild fender flare roll.
 Even my 72 has the inner fender liner seam rolled back to clear my tires that I used on the street...

Best way to store old tires is inside a large black trash bag, tightly closed, in a cool basement, away from any kind of electric motor.

Hummm..., I only found one Alpine and no Tigers.  And at $10K it was more than three times what I paid for the Tiger ($3,500) back in 2000. Could never afford one today. My near basket case would probable sell for $20K-$25K.  On jackstands for almost 18 years now. My mid-life crisis car has become my retirement car and at the speed it is going it way well be come my "you have cancer, what do you want to accomplish before you die car" (hopefully not anytime soon).