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Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« on: August 11, 2014, 11:50:02 AM »
My shifter bushing recently went bad and it was impossible to remove the nylon dome to replace the bushing. (Seems that someone a while back glued it in place making it impossible to remove). I figured I would remove the trans so it could be worked on properly.

Can someone help me identify the trans based on the tag information. I'm hoping to find parts for the trans and would like to know what I've got.

Here is the tag info
80 ET CA
FOG 9J O5G

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2014, 02:50:38 PM »
It's a FOG. I "think" that stands for Ford of Germany. It's the same trans for 74-80 Pintos according to the link below. 70-73 have a different rebuild kit.
It came with other Fords of that era that had 4 cyl engines.

This site has a little bit of info on it, there might be better ones.
http://www.drivetrain.com/parts_catalog/manual_transmission_overhaul_kits/ford_fog_rwd.html

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2014, 03:48:32 PM »
It's a FOG. I "think" that stands for Ford of Germany. It's the same trans for 74-80 Pintos according to the link below. 70-73 have a different rebuild kit.
It came with other Fords of that era that had 4 cyl engines.

This site has a little bit of info on it, there might be better ones.
http://www.drivetrain.com/parts_catalog/manual_transmission_overhaul_kits/ford_fog_rwd.html

HTH,
Russ

Hi Russ,

Thanks for the info.  I checked their site. Good information.
I'm hoping I can get the shifter bushing and nylon dome above the bushing.
BTW - I have the 2.3 l engine.

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2014, 05:32:01 PM »
BTW - I have the 2.3 l engine.

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2014, 07:32:45 PM »

All V6 Pintos were automatic unless someone put the MII V6 trans in a Pinto.

That's useful information.  Thanks.

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2014, 09:15:48 PM »
That's useful information.  Thanks.

Anytime  ;)  Ford feared the V6/4-speed Pinto would have been as fast as the MII/V8 at the time so they saddled them with power robbing automatics.
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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2014, 10:15:09 PM »
The 80 ET may well describe it too, some listings used that and the 80 is for the year model, others for same like 79 ET for '79 model, 76 ET for '76, etc. Same trans otherwise.

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2014, 11:45:15 AM »
Have any of you here worked on this transmission?
Any advice would be appreciated.

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2014, 12:15:21 AM »
I had one apart long enough to pronounce it a tinkertoy. Watch for where the tailshaft stub enters the input shaft back end, the bearing register there can be torn up if lube ran low in trans, as can countershaft bearings.

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2014, 09:34:35 AM »
I had one apart long enough to pronounce it a tinkertoy. Watch for where the tailshaft stub enters the input shaft back end, the bearing register there can be torn up if lube ran low in trans, as can countershaft bearings.

It is quite simple, but gets the job done.  (The car is only 1800 lbs.).

The shifter bushing was torn up, and I'm having a hard time removing the nylon dome above the shifter.  Seems that someone in the past glued it down.  Is there another trans that would be a good replacement for this one?  (I keep hearing about T5's, but I'm not sure if that is appropriate for this car).

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2014, 10:58:29 AM »
I finally got the shifter out by cutting the nylon dome off. Once I got the shifter out I was able to see what the problem was......broke n fork on the shifter.

Now I need to find a replacement.

Any ideas on where to find a shifter for a 1980 pinto RAD 4 spd tranny?

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2014, 12:01:52 PM »
It's not a RAD tranie! It's a FOG tranie. NO PARTS will interchange.
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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2014, 03:43:01 PM »
It's not a RAD tranie! It's a FOG tranie. NO PARTS will interchange.

Thanks for the reply.  Yes, I know it's a FOG (Ford of Germany), but I was told by a buddy of mine who has the same car out west, that I should be asking around for a 1980 Pinto RAD 4 spd, due to the style of shifter.  We have the one with the nylon dome that holds the shifter, not the three bolt type.

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2014, 06:07:01 PM »
Nylon dome is a FOG tranie.
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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2014, 06:51:45 PM »
Nylon dome is a FOG tranie.

OK.  And where can I get parts for the shifter?

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2014, 10:46:46 PM »
I may have a spare shifter. I will try to dig into my parts tomorrow and see.
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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2014, 11:03:07 PM »
I may have a spare shifter. I will try to dig into my parts tomorrow and see.

Thank you

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2014, 04:38:37 AM »
Definitely not RAD or RAN or RUG or RAIL trans, where do they get all these weird names???

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2014, 08:44:33 PM »
Is the "rail" the SROD?

I have a Transtar here in Boise, ID that gets me parts for my FOG, the only thing they cannot get me is new synchros, which is a contributing factor to why I plan to go T5 or T9. Thinking more along the lines of T5, so that when the V8 time comes along, I will just need a bell and fork to make things work.
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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2014, 12:42:33 PM »
I have a Transtar here in Boise, ID that gets me parts for my FOG,

What is Transtar?

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2014, 06:40:27 PM »
http://www.transtar1.com/
Transmission parts place.
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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2014, 09:20:51 PM »
http://www.transtar1.com/
Transmission parts place.

Thanks for the info.
Looks like we have one close by in Edison NJ.

How's the experience with the ordering process and parts availability for older cars?

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2014, 11:32:30 PM »
I've never used them, just did a quick Google search and found them.
Hopefully Dave will chime in since he has.
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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2014, 02:40:05 PM »
Here's a photo of the elusive shifter parts that I need.

1st photo shows shifter, plastic dome and tabbed lock nut.
2nd photo shows plastic shifter bushing.

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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2014, 04:09:54 AM »
Transtar here in Dallas is great, they serve walk-in public just like the business clients and parts are much cheaper since they supply all the trans repair shops. I made a killing buying ATX stuff there.

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2014, 05:53:54 AM »
Here are a couple threads on sourcing the bushing shown in the last photo.

http://www.fordpinto.com/parts-resources-here-is-where-you-can-find-this-or-that/manual-shifter-bushing-(saddle)/msg137343/#msg137343

http://www.fordpinto.com/general-help/4-speed-shifter-21725/msg132857/#msg132857

As for the shifter, the craiglist ad below shows a shifter in one of the photos.  Your shifter shown at the start of this thread seems longer than any Pinto shifter that I have seen (maybe a custom).
http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/pts/4606213721.html

In addition to a want ad here, you might check ebay, craiglist in your area, and the mini stock site: http://www.4m.net/forumdisplay.php?35-Mini-Stocks
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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2014, 09:09:55 AM »
Thanks everyone for the advice and links.

I will most likely get the bushing from Burton Power, so thanks for that recommendation .
Called the local junkyard yesterday and they did a search on 1980 Pinto trans.  Found 2 yards in MA that have one. One junkyard said the trans was on the shelf, but the shifter parts were missing.  The other place told me they would need to go out to the yard to see if it had the needed parts, and would call me back in a few days. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. 

Thanks again for all the help.  I'll keep you all posted.

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2014, 10:33:33 PM »
I got myself a shop manual which has been helpful in working on the trans.
Can someone help me understand the directions (see attached). I was able to drive the roll pin through the selector lever arm, and remove the shift rail, so I'm up to step #11.
I'm having trouble understanding steps #12 through #17, (still can't separate the gearbox from the tail housing.)

Thank you

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2014, 12:11:22 AM »
Ok, just to clarify I have never worked on a FOG trans, and it has been many years since I worked on any. But the following is pretty much basic shop class stuff. I have no clue how mechanically inclined you are, so I am going with the basics, no offense meant if you know this stuff already.

For step 11, make sure you have removed all the bolts and everything from the previous steps. I don't have a clue how many bolts there are, so I can't help you there. Sometimes you may find one that is hidden under grease. Believe me, this happens. At least to me.
Once you are sure they are all removed, tap the housing with a plastic or rubber mallet. You may need to get physical with it, if it hasn't been apart for almost 40 years it will act like it is glued together. Just do not use anything metal to hit with. Even though you are going to want to. And try to hit on the more solid areas (where there is the most meat). This is really one of those easier to show you than to explain things. Best bet is to tap around the mating surface, going around and tapping until you hear/feel it pop loose. Don't use anything to try to pry it apart. You don't want to risk marring the mating surfaces.

That should enable you to rotate the housing as per step 12. Again, I don't have a clue just how far the manual wants you to rotate it. I am hoping there are pictures with it.

Step 13 wants you to use a piece of steel rod with just a slightly smaller diameter than the counter shaft. Believe me, you do not want those needle rollers getting loose. They roll any and everywhere. We had to rebuild 3 speed manual trans in auto shop when I took it in '76(gee, I am really old) and those stupid things were a royal pain.

If you get this far maybe the rest will be a bit more obvious. If not then let us know. Remember, Ford wrote those manuals for mechanics in their dealer shops, not for us hobbyists. So what they think may have been perfectly obvious to the mechanics is not to us.

HTH some,

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Re: Transmission for 1980 Ford Pinto
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2014, 11:19:30 AM »
Russ,  thanks so much for the explanation.  You're right about wanting to hit or pry it loose with something metal.  I might have been a bit tough with this thing and done just that.  At this point I would looks to drop kick it across the driveway.

Well, I got the housing loose and it moves about 1/2 " away from the gearbox. I can spin it around but that's it. (I didn't see any other bolts hidden under greese. That was a good point, thanks). I am mechanical, but unfortunately there are few photos in the manual so it's hard since I never worked on a trans before.

AJ

PS - you're not old because I'm the same age as you.