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« on: February 01, 2017, 11:08:41 AM »
Ok removed engine 2 yr ago. Now I don't know which mustang mount go were. I know you switch right and lift but after painting I don't know which is right and left.

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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 06:01:23 PM »
I think we are going to need a bit more information for someone here to help you.  When you say, "I know you switch right and lift (left)" for what engine are you asking..., and what year Pinto?  71-73 and the (74, 2.0) had a welded in mount. The 74 and up 2.3 had bolt in mounts. I'm unfamiliar with the V-6 configuration. But, in any of those cases the mounts would go in as the factory designed them, not swapped side for side.  Is this by chance a V-8 swap?  I'm just guessing based on deduction???

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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 02:29:51 PM »
See your point 77 cruising wagon with v8 using v6 mounts on car. mustang two on motor. I know you reverse motor mounts but don't know which is which. One bigger than the other. Terrible to get old.

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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 08:22:39 PM »
Sorry that my V-6/V-8 background is lacking to help directly. Hopefully some who has done the swap, or even someone with a V-6 engine (reversing what they say) can let you know. I tried looking on Google images, but didn't find anything that seemed helpful.  I'd also change the title of the post to "V-8 Motor Mounts" in the hope that it will get the attention you need.

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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2017, 11:37:04 PM »



2.8 had bolt on motor mount/plates.
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 05:39:16 AM »
Seems to me one (both ?) had to be moved back.

I looked for the link for V8 swaps & couldn't find it.....

I used the search & found this one (not the link I was thinking of though)

http://www.fordpinto.com/general-help/1977-pinto-v8-engine-swap/msg157316/#msg157316

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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 06:19:34 AM »
Good call on that Mr Reeves1 , sometimes you have to make them for a better fit , last V8 pinto I done was over 25 years ago , and four what I remember I used two mustang 2 drivers side mounts , you have to check around the parts stores but I do believe they do make replacements, the only mod to the bracket on the car is drill a hole to clear the pin on the engine mount , use a Ford Explorer timing cover and water pump (short) the oil pan will be 💰💰💰💰💰💰
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2017, 01:01:56 PM »

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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2017, 01:19:05 PM »
There is a full set of parts on our for sale post for a v-8 Mustang II / Pinto
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 05:25:53 PM »
I AM CURRENTLY INSTALLING A 302 INTO MY 1977 cRUISER AND I HAD TO SWITCH mounts left mount goes onto right, and then bolt your engine to it using long bolt, doing the left side is a little tougher, I had to remove mount bolts from engine, install frame mount to engine mount, and then line the engine up making sure the transmission tail did not slip one side to the other, I was able to get the long bolt in with cajoling and cussing, and I managed to get one(1) frame mount bolt in, next you either need to hope you have a second left side motor mount, or re-drill 5/16 graduating to 3/8 hole to match the engines comfort fit (lined up no stress on mount) the factory frame bolts are 3/8x3/4" 1/2" head with 9/16 bolt, I have run across several problems the so-called PROS here have decided  it was not worthy mentioning, a Mustang sway bar is needed, but to mount it you must once again do modifications by making a plate for both sides, to mount onto the pinto underframe, then bolt the sway bar to that plate If I had my choices, and knew this I would not have proceeded, lucky for me I had a Mustang II to cannibalize, but it had 2 right side mounts on it (screwed again) So I am using a Borg Warner RAD 4 Speed, had to buy a new clutch cable (for a Merkur) and still trying to figure the radiator as I type this, and U will also need (unless your tranny fits) the driveshaft or Yoke OH and before I forget, I had a brand new pair of Hooker Headers designed in the late 70's for Pinto swap... must be 79 or 80, because they don't fit on a 77, so I used the factory manifolds from the Mustang II  PERFECT !!!!  a lot more work to do b4 I even start it. BUT I AM STILL TICKLED
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2017, 06:07:56 PM »
Nobody on here ever said the people that try to help you were "PRO's". All post on here are not cut into stone and as such, they are only a long tunnel to the truth. It is for you to find the correct path. While I don't think I posted on this problem, I think you should offer a kind word to those "PRO's" on here that were only trying to help you. Looks like they may of left off some details, but they still know more than you. Has a nice day.
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2017, 12:26:09 PM »
Well written Dick.  I have responded to other posts and left out some details unintentionall y.  We are all not perfect. 

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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2017, 12:43:03 PM »
Amazing, ;)
 NO matter how we temper our advice with patience, (And good sentence structure :o) the read can come off as impudent, or even hostile. Dick and many others are indeed Human, (while I kneel in humble reverence ;D) I wonder if the Internet and forums are just like faith interpretation s of Divinity by the many.
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2017, 01:20:22 PM »
Nobody on here ever said the people that try to help you were "PRO's". All post on here are not cut into stone and as such, they are only a long tunnel to the truth. It is for you to find the correct path. While I don't think I posted on this problem, I think you should offer a kind word to those "PRO's" on here that were only trying to help you. Looks like they may of left off some details, but they still know more than you. Has a nice day.

You are saying these pros intentionally or unintentionall y left off important details ? I do not think the post was rude crude or any other, it simply spoke the truth, check these posts like "10 Point V8 Swap" that post is not mechanically feasible, nor prudent, NOW if a man has a machine shop, then these posts would be deemed as simple, but this is not always the case......... I am one of those who simply loves this car, and will finish it to my last breath...... beauty and accuracy are in the mind of the beholder, where are these pros when these simple people ask a simple question such as I have with the radiator, What radiator did they replace the factory one with...... I received not one viable answer...... Yur Honor Da Defense Rests. I do not state all in life is perfect, but people look up to this blog, maybe for the wrong reason for the correct cause......THE PINTO
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 02:26:10 PM »
Use the search.... you'll likely find a thousand different ways / types of rads used.

ie: there is no one answer......

Look at it, plan it , take measurements & order one.

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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2017, 06:48:44 PM »
First V-8 Pinto I read about was about 15 years ago. It was one from a young guy that like you didn't know much or for what matters he really didn't know anything about the swap. He used a V-8 and  tranie from a pickup. He didn't use any kind of mounts because of no money. He simply lowered the engine in as far as it would go, and the used a chain to hold it in place. Used a BFH to get room for the tranie. Mounted the radiator in front of the cut out core support. Used some more chain to hold the hood down, and drove it. 6 3/4 rearend which lasted as long as the car ran. He stated that if he had a posie he would have killed himself. As it was he just smoked the right rear tire. Sound like BS ? No way as the story has been on the net for more years than I like to count. Point is, just how bad do you want to get your car on the road? And lets face it! This guy was and is still a PRO since he was first to do it. Would have loved to see and maybe ride in it. Now if you must have someone tell you what radiator to use, just look on the net. Just remember that this guy knows more than you so he must be a PRO.
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2017, 10:59:51 PM »
You are so right on that Dick , and I have seen my share of hack jobs , or better I would call butcher jobs , when someone want to stuff a huge engine in a pinto I always tell them not to cut anything , unless your cutting out old rusty floor boards and going to weld in new ones , you do not need to cut anything , not even the radiator surpport , anything larger than a 351 you need to find one that needs new floor , then weld in a pro stock chasis , then stuff a boss 429 in it , the engine will bolt into a stock pinto with the right parts but only 74 up pintos , 71 to 73 mounts will have to be made to order , first V8 pinto I done was back in 1972 , last one was over 25 years ago , my advice is if your going to do it take the time to find one to look at , or better a couple of them to look at , next is do not cut the car , to many have been wasted by cutting them up and losing interest because of more work has to be done , sorry for the long reply but as long as it saves a few cars from being lost it feel it's worth it , later Blaine
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2017, 06:25:44 PM »
That is generally the very reason people search this blog for information on what it is going to take to do the job, not to make it easier, but perhaps to bypass the pitfalls such as YOU are not going to get the engine to sit back as far as you like unless you want to destroy the value on the vehicle, so forget about the BFH it does nothing for you, the one that really gets me is the one that says "You must swap the Sway Bar" but tells NOTHING about any special fit or modification that must be done, me I just broke the old bolts off and welded a 1 1/2" 5/16 bolt to fit the bushing cover and then simply tightened the bushing covers with the proper nuts, nor does it post anywhere here that in order to get your measurements properly, the tail shaft of the tranny must be bolted into place as fitted by the crossmember before you move to center your engine for mount fit, and then it does not say anywhere here that the original frame mounts except the right fit into place as it should (you will need 4 3/8" bushings to fit between the frame mount and frame, then all you need do is drill out your mount on the left (2 Holes) and add 2 3/8" bushings between frame mount and frame using case hardened 1 1/2" x 3/8 bolts + Frame washers before tightening down your bolts THEN VIOLA ! THE VERY CENTER of your damper is midpoint.... NOTE Do Not try to use headers unless you are prepared to modify your left and right frames.... UNLESS you have millions and can afford a hefty price tag for "Head Drop Headers", me I used the original 302 manifolds from a Mustang II and it is a little close for the exhaust pipe on the left to the steering arm, but lots of clearance on the right, NOTE it is still a tough fit if you use later Foxbody GT Headers....... ....  But then this is just "little Ol Me" a 67 Year old Vietnam Vet with Parkinson's and not enough money to piss on...... Bottom line is trust nothing you read until proven !
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2017, 09:18:43 PM »
I've posted info on centering the engine / trans / pinion angle before.
Although, I did not post the small details.

Posted about what manifolds to use as well.
Along with part numbers.

Yes, custom headers are expensive.
I do have two sets of Headman headers. Have had one set for sale, but folks think $600.00 is too much.
Custom can go 3k to 4k..........no frame mods required. Although, depending on engine & tube size, one may have to take the rear 2 tubes on each side through the inner fenders.

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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2017, 07:16:39 AM »
Left Motor mount has the bump to the rear, right has bump to front...... sitting here looking at a pair now   I always mark mine when removed....... FYI The 302 Mounts on a 77 Maverick grabber are the same mounts minus the bumps (makes them easier to work with
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