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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2012, 08:23:25 PM »
 With all the trouble you're having it would be easier to just replace the entire steering column. If I recall there are two wiring connectors, four nuts
or maybe two nuts & two bolts and disconnect the upper u-joint. You will need someone to help guide the joint on when putting in the replacement column.
 Just a thought.
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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2012, 03:42:29 AM »
 Im seriously thinking thats what Im going to wind up doing. Do you disconnect it at the rag joint or at the input shaft of the rack? I remember changing a rag joint one time I dont remember having anyone helping me but I may have it had to be over 12 years ago.

 For now Im thinking of cutting the rod that goes from the cylinder to the switch and see if I can work it by hand. Its drastic and maybe the final straw on the back of using this column,but maybe I can at least drive it for a while to get my groceries :)

 I just spent about an hour with the wiring diagram I dont know why they make them so hard to read but finally started coming together, just have a major headache now.

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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2012, 12:27:34 PM »
 Like I said I prefer to disconnect the upper u-joint. Because of it's simple double 'D' design (to me) it makes it much easier to re-index things and
the column is much shorter & you don't have the shaft flopping all over the place. However it's your car, so do it how you wish.
 Be on the lookout for a PM.
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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2012, 06:49:34 PM »
Like I said I prefer to disconnect the upper u-joint. Because of it's simple double 'D' design (to me) it makes it much easier to re-index things and
the column is much shorter & you don't have the shaft flopping all over the place. However it's your car, so do it how you wish.
 Be on the lookout for a PM.

 Thanks for helping its been so long since I changed the rag joint. I cant even remember if it was ths one or the 79 I had.

 I did tonight finally take desperate measures and saw the rod so I can get it o start.Im going to do some shopping tomorrow finally cant get much food home on the bus.

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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2012, 08:01:07 PM »
if you need a colum i have one i just pulled out of a 73 wagon, let me know if you would like to purchase!
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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2012, 05:09:59 AM »
 Will it work in a 78?

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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2012, 07:01:40 AM »
no sure. im sure the pinto goo roos on here will know!!! any help will be great!!! thanks guys!!
 
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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2012, 01:37:13 AM »
 Well so far no one has said wil the 73 one work or not. Anyone know?

 Also now that I drove it the steering wheel makes a clack sound when I turn it to the right and back to the left. Small wiggling back and forth I dont hear feel the clunk type noise or feeling you get from bad tie rods. Its a louder clack type sound and vibration on the wheel itself. I onder if we messed up the bearings in it, or if its because we didnt get the wheel back on straight at all (going to take it off and put it back on tomorrow. Check the  wheels yourself, to someone else they might look straight I guess, have to remember that next time).

 And no lights on the instrument panel. Going to check the fuse and maybe I should check the connector on the ignition switch after getting my hand in there to see if it was loose. Can someone tell me if the if the dome light is the same as a courtesy light? I know Im going to feel stupid about asking this later. But the fuse for the ip lighting gets fed from the same power source off the ignition switch as the `courtesy lights` and the dome light works. So if  the dome light=courtesy light the feed from the ignition switch for the ip lights should be ok too.

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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2012, 09:42:50 PM »
 ok the lights  are on it was a bad contact on the fuse from a dirty fuse clip. On the input side where the wire from the light switch comes from. Only had 12v on one side of the fuse I first thought ok a bad fuse, but as I was starting to pull it out the lights came on.No contact from the metal clip to the metal on  the fuse to carry 12v through the fuse to the lights. Contact cleaner and putting the fuse in and out a few times, now I have my IP lights back.

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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2012, 07:19:15 PM »
I think it should bolt in but the wiring is probably going to be different.
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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2012, 10:08:54 PM »
I saw this and had to say something,this happened to me some / many years ago and I called a locksmith I don't remember how but he explained how to pull the ignition switch out  and also had another one or re built it .
I think it was under 30$  all I remember is the keys were not the same as the door any more
I have had 4 Pintos and worked on them all my self , its surprising what I don't remember ... ??? or maybe I don't want to.

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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2012, 04:44:21 AM »
 I kind of know that feeling I had this one for nearly 27 years and bought my first one (a 1974 wagon) in 1980. I forgot how I did some tings and not in a real big hurry to try again after all those years especially.

 On my 74 wagonm a friend I had let drive it pulled out the key with pliers, I guess he didnt rdive a lot of cars and didnt realize there was a button you had to push. The key had marks from the pliers and the whole cylinder just turned and turned. They got it out with a slide hammer, but looking at the pictures in the thread and in my chiltons, I believe the older ones had a different cylinder without the pin that we were talking about. And for whatever reason after drilling and grinding down that pin it still wont come out.

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Re: help please ignition cylinder
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2012, 04:51:42 PM »
You could try a pair of channel locks to force it back to acc position.It worked for me,once.If not I have a 78 column black refurbished bare $40.00
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