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Gear oil
« on: June 03, 2017, 08:26:36 AM »
I want to Change the fluids in the manual trans and rear end. Can anybody recommend a good product?


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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2017, 09:58:12 AM »
Red Line MTL is the best bar none.
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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2017, 10:28:46 AM »
As always thank you for your advise..

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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2017, 12:21:28 PM »
https://www.penngrade.com/penngrade-1/gear-lubricants/


I had to get special oil for my Super T-10. It's green in color.....it's out in the shop & I'll get info later.


Some of the new oils cannot be used in "classics".


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Multi-Purpose ‘Classic’ Gear Oil GL-4 SAE 80W-90 (7729), 85W-140 (7735)

 
•Used with “yellow” metallurgy (brass, bronze, copper) and other ‘soft’ metals used in synchronizers, bushings, thrust washers and other components typically found in classic manual transmissions and transaxles

 
•Best for traditional manual transmissions, Muncie, Rockwell, NVG/New Process, Borg-Warner, Saginaw and Ford and many imports, including Nissan UD trucks, Mitsubishi Fuso trucks, Volvo trucks, and Mercedes Benz truck manual transmissions,  transmissions/transaxles on Nissan cars and SUVs, Mitsubishi vehicles and Suzuki vehicles calling for a GL-4 level lubricant

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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2017, 12:42:49 PM »
Forgot that MTL will not work in a T-5 as they use ATF. Redline makes ATF so no problem.
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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2017, 01:11:04 PM »
Ok dick so use atf in the trans?


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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2017, 01:13:52 PM »
Ok checking the rear end and I do not see any drain or fill plugs


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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2017, 01:17:36 PM »
Ok checking the rear end and I do not see any drain or fill plugs


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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2017, 04:12:10 PM »
Ok dick so use atf in the trans?


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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2017, 04:14:00 PM »
The only thing the manual says it's a German trans


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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2017, 08:06:28 PM »
The fill plug is probably on the driver's side of the third member.

There is no drain plug. You have to pull the third member to drain the fluid, which is BS in my opinion. If your trans is the stock 4-spd, then it's probably the same way: a fill plug and no drain.

Sta-Lube is my go-to for GL-4 gear oil for use in older transmissions. Redline MT-90 is also GL-4, but I would only use it for very long drain intervals or hard driving.
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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2017, 08:19:02 PM »
The fill plug is probably on the driver's side of the third member.

There is no drain plug. You have to pull the third member to drain the fluid, which is BS in my opinion. If your trans is the stock 4-spd, then it's probably the same way: a fill plug and no drain.

Sta-Lube is my go-to for GL-4 gear oil for use in older transmissions. Redline MT-90 is also GL-4, but I would only use it for very long drain intervals or hard driving.

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Please excuse my inexperienced but what is the third member




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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2017, 08:50:42 PM »
It's that big hunk of cast iron in the rear end that that the driveshaft goes into.
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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2017, 10:02:58 PM »
A couple of things to bring this together:

1. You car doesn't have a T-5 unless it was a 5 speed swap. Even if it did there were some early T-5's that used gear oil, or an after the fact recommendation of a gear oil/ATF mixture. So, ATF in a T-5 is not a complete given.

2.  Since you state it is a German trans we can assume it is a factory 4 speed. It more than likely specs GL-4 as the gear oil. Be watchful because GL-5 is often what you find and they hint (the old "meets or exceeds") that it is OK to use because it exceeds GL-4. However, there are a lot of warnings out there that something in the GL-5 eats the brass syncro's in the trans.  So, go with GL-4 only (specifically) in the trans. You just have to find it.

3. I'm not exactly sure why the center section of the rear end (where the gears are) is called the third member.  Perhaps because the axles count as one & two??? The term is also more commonly used on the rear end that you have (Ford 8") because that front section is removable as a unit with the gears.  It is what you see in the first picture in post #7. The lesser Pinto rear end, the 6-3/4," has the center section and the axle tubes as one unit and the gears have to be fitted into it. It has a simpler stamped steel cover for access.

4. Yes, a lot of cars have no drain plug, you have to pull covers and let it flow.  Some people drill a hole, weld on a nut and use a gasketed bolt to help the "next time" they need to do the task. I do it to my Auto Trans pans and it does make the process nicer.

 Without the drain plug on the 8" rear end you have to loosen the whole third member and run the risk of damaging the gasket. Which becomes a pain to replace because you then have to drop the drive shaft, pull the brake backing plates and slide out the axles. On the 6-3/4" it is easier because the cover simply slides off.  So, keep that in mind if you opt to change the fluid in your 8". If you find the fill plug you might consider removing the fluid by suction (though thick as it is...).

The rear end has no brass in it so so you can use GL-4 or GL-5 in it.

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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2017, 05:54:11 AM »
I'm not up on OEM Pinto diffs..... that looks like it may be a 9" ?

If so, it may have a traction lock ?
If so, it will also need friction modifier.

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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2017, 06:22:57 AM »
I'm not up on OEM Pinto diffs..... that looks like it may be a 9" ?

If so, it may have a traction lock ?
If so, it will also need friction modifier.
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Not sure what' rear is in there it was like this when I bought it. It's a 1980 cruzing  wagon


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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2017, 07:21:00 AM »
I'm not up on OEM Pinto diffs..... that looks like it may be a 9" ?

If so, it may have a traction lock ?
If so, it will also need friction modifier.
Ok now this complicates things a bit if it's a 9 inch rear end. I wanted to replace the brakes and pull the axels to check the bearings  now not sure what parts to get.


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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2017, 03:48:08 PM »
It's a 8" rear end. The 8" flattens on the top and bottom where as a 9" is round. See for yourself .

Poor guy is really getting confused with T-5 lubrication recommendation s and 9" speculations.  As far as has been mentioned he has a stock 1980 Cruise Wagon with the factory 4 speed (he mentioned German trans) and an 8" rear end (visible by the pictures in post #7). Use GL-4 for the transmission and either GL-4 or GL-5 for the rear end.  Also see below about the mentioned additive IF you have traction lock.

The easiest way to know if you have a traction lock (sometimes call "limited slip") system is to safely jack up both rear wheels. Turn one wheel. If they both turn in the same direction you have traction lock. If the opposing wheel turns in the reverse direction you have what is referred to as an "open" rear end. Should you find you have a traction lock system (I doubt it, but you never know) you need to investigate what is the proper additive. I have no experience to make an additive recommendation . But it was a good point made to consider when replacing fluids in the rear end.

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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2017, 04:47:56 PM »
Look and see if there is a I'd tag , it will be under one of the nuts that hold the pumpkin, the car could have been ordered with that rear end or was installed a long time ago with the idea of a turbo or a V8 ,  the tag will look like this , the lower numbers will tell you the ratio , this one says 3.40 , so it is a 3.40 to 1 , if it has a posa the numbers would read 3L.40 , next number is a 8 , so it is an 8 inch
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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2017, 04:54:57 PM »
I want to thank everyone for  all the assistance


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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2017, 04:57:39 PM »
Forgot to say if the rear end did come with the car the tag should still be there , I just installed a new position unit in my pinto , the lube I brought has the additive in it , takes 2.25 quarts , I taped the bottom of mine and installed a drain plug , and also tossed a old speaker magnet inside to collect the metal fuzz that plays havoc with the bearings
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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2017, 11:06:03 PM »
For clarification to the original poster and to avoid further confusion the "Third Member" is also known by "The Center Section", "The Carrier", "The Pumpkin" and sometimes just "The Rear End."

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Re: Gear oil
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2017, 09:26:59 AM »
How about using a suction gun????
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