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FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« on: March 04, 2016, 11:10:18 AM »
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Re: FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2016, 03:05:31 PM »
The more I read (7 pages worth) the more I got to thinking that it is not only the pleat count, but the aspects of the paper itself.  How well does the paper filter?  I would agree that the components are visually less quality in the Fram but, does that matter?  Are the other filters over built?  I've noticed with my shop vac that extra pleats only create an environment for contaminants to build up faster. The tighter "V" closes in faster because there is less open area between pleats.

Anyway, I'm not defending Fram, I'm only saying that a pleat count and materials quality (if not impressive.., but adequate) might not be the best criteria to judge a filter from.  Sometimes I'm stuck buying a Fram and when I can, I buy otherwise.

 My brother worked for Purolator in their testing lab where he measured the build quality. He always felt they were a good filter.  He also said they made filters for Caterpillar and the like.  He said they had very stringent standards that were often hard to meet.  So, if for instance you had a Caterpiller tractor and heard that Purolator made their filters you might be incline to just buy the generic Purolator. But, in doing so you might be buying a lesser filter because the Caterpillar standard in this case exceeded the general Purolator build.

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Re: FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2016, 03:08:05 PM »
When I worked for advance auto we cut open filters and fram filter paper was clear and thin not to mention fewer pleats with cardboard ends. Purolator filters had more pleats and metal ends for better construction of the filter. Even the store brand was better than fram.


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Re: FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2016, 04:56:15 PM »
I agree with Wittsend , Purolator has been making filters for over a hundred years , as for Fram i will never put one on any of my cars , why I said that is they are junk, I work on aircraft and every filter I take off I have to cut it open and check for metal or other not to be in there things , I have a tool to zip them open so by habit i do the same for all my cars and trucks , I have found the the metal crimp the hold the pleats together was not done right , yep it was open and the oil just was not being filtered because of it, I have found this not one time , not twice but tree times on my vehicles , one was on a fresh Overhaul on my V6 pinto , when you need it the most I just think of all the small trash that went straght to the bearings , I will only use ford ,wix or purolater , also found that aircraft filter Ch48108-8 made by champion works well , I change oil every 2500 miles , (oil is cheep and engine is not ) I maintan all of the them that way since new , no engine trouble , the tool to cut the filter open to check yours can be brought at aircraft spruce , or aircraft tool supply ,
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Re: FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2016, 09:03:14 PM »
Fram used to be top of the line back in the day, but when Allied Signal took them over it all went down the crapper, Wix is about the best along with Napa Gold which is a Wix..
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Re: FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2016, 07:59:15 AM »
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Re: FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2016, 10:15:05 AM »
Lot of sites on oil filters, that is a good one..
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Re: FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2016, 03:14:37 PM »
I agree with Wittsend , Purolator has been making filters for over a hundred years , as for Fram i will never put one on any of my cars , why I said that is they are junk, I work on aircraft and every filter I take off I have to cut it open and check for metal or other not to be in there things , I have a tool to zip them open so by habit i do the same for all my cars and trucks , I have found the the metal crimp the hold the pleats together was not done right , yep it was open and the oil just was not being filtered because of it, I have found this not one time , not twice but tree times on my vehicles , one was on a fresh Overhaul on my V6 pinto , when you need it the most I just think of all the small trash that went straght to the bearings , I will only use ford ,wix or purolater , also found that aircraft filter Ch48108-8 made by champion works well , I change oil every 2500 miles , (oil is cheep and engine is not ) I maintan all of the them that way since new , no engine trouble , the tool to cut the filter open to check yours can be brought at aircraft spruce , or aircraft tool supply , 

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Re: FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2016, 04:05:40 PM »
Out of curiosity, would you change a set of tires with 70% tread remaining?
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2016, 04:22:37 PM »
It's relevant, believe it not.
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Re: FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2016, 12:00:36 PM »
If I would change tires with 70% remaining tread, yep if they were over ten years old , had cracks in the tread , if I was driving the car every day I might go to 3000 or 3500 miles, but the car sits , moisture gets into the engine over time and does break down the oil , rust parts of the valve train , as I said oil is cheep , engine overhaul is a PITA sometimes ,  old tires no mater how good they look at today's speeds is a accident waiting to happen,  just saying, safe than much sorry later
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Re: FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2016, 02:43:55 PM »
Out of curiosity, would you change a set of tires with 70% tread remaining?
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Re: FRAM-vs-WIX Filters
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2016, 03:35:11 PM »
Well, it makes more sense to change oil at 2500mi if it takes a year or something more to get there, although I don't think oils generally degrade much from sitting...at least not out here in the desert.

More on-topic, I liked to use Motorcraft FL300s on my 2.3Ts until every local parts chain stopped carrying them.  ??? Now I try to find Wix or Bosch equivalents. Fortunately FL-1As are still easy to find for my Mustang. I don't really care what goes on my Nissan Frontier. I think the last one was a Microgard (cardboard Fram guts) and the one on it now is blue. Might be an STP (also cardboard junk) or Delco (not junk). Can't find the receipt.
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