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engine number location dont know year of engine
« on: May 18, 2018, 06:17:55 PM »
can anyone help, need to find engine number location so I can know the year of pinto etc.

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2018, 08:41:08 PM »
Do you need to know the year of the engine or the year of the car?
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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2018, 08:39:11 AM »
Thanks for your speedy reply. I dont know anything about the engine, I need it so I can order parts and reg. the car. I understand the motor # will tell year, model,type, etc. (I just cant find the # location then try to look up what the #s mean) please help I need this for this week. Thanks in advance  VT

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2018, 01:34:32 PM »
The Pinto came with four different engines. The 1.6 British built engine, the 2.0 German built engine, the 2.3 "Lima" USA built engine and the 2.8 V-6 German built engine. So, it would be important to know which engine you have.

That said, this site has pretty light traffic so an answer might be a long wait - if you get an answer at all.  The 1.6 engine was also used in the Cortina and the 2.0 and 2.8 were used in the Capri. The 2.3 was used in the Mustang and Ranger. So, if you don't get an answer here, you might try sites relating to those cars.

 I looked around the '88 2.3/Turbo/EFI engine in my Pinto but sorry to say didn't readily see any cast or stamped ID numbers.

BTW, the engine number most likely won't tell much other than the year - if even that.  If we knew what year the car was and better yet a picture of the engine (and car) then we can easily narrow the engines down to one of the four. If we saw an external picture of the car we can probably narrow that down to a select area of the model year.

Most cars have a VIN on the dash, drivers side, down where it meets the windshield, and/or a plastic VIN on the drivers door jamb.  This decoder will tell you most of what you need to know if you have those numbers.

 http://pintopage.fordpinto.com/VIN%20decoder.htm  The VIN decoder link on this site does not work (comes up 404), so use the one I have posted.

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2018, 03:46:13 PM »
Thanks wittsend, This is a kit car, no doors,no chasis, dash, Vin, just kit body square tube frame jag SS100 assigned FL new vin)(put together by antiques and collectables in buffalo NY) pinto engine & trans. I will try to take some pictures tomorrow. So far I know its a 4 cyl. also need trans. ID # also. Please keep in touch, your all I GOT!  Thanks VT

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2018, 07:53:44 PM »
Take some pictures of the engine and post them - might be able to identify it that way.


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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2018, 09:09:26 PM »
Some basic data...

The 1.6 is a pushrod engine with a more or less conventional looking rocker arm cover and no cam pulley or belt at the front. This is called the "kent" 3ngine and used from 71 to 72. Distributor on passenger side. This engine is used in formula ford race cars as well.Doubtful if this was used in kit car.

The 2.0 was used from 71 to 73 and is a belt driven overhead cam engine so it has a it has a pulley mounted at the front of the cam cover and the engine mounts are located midway front to back behind the oil filter. The exhaust ports on the head are square. The timing marks on the 2.0 are on the passenger side at the front pointer is part of aluminum front casting. Cam cover is rounded on top with front to back ribs, attached with 10 bolts, 4 on each side and 2 extra at front on vertical sides of front cam support. Distributor on driver side.

The 2.3 was used from 74 till 80. It is also an overhead cam with cam pulley at the front. It has engine mounts at the front with oil filter behind it. Exhaust ports are round. Timing marks on 2.3 are on driver side and pointer is mounted on cam belt cover. Cam cover is squarish with flat top and attached with only 8 mounting bolts none on the vertical cam support at the front. Distributor on driver side.

The v6 is obviously a v motor.

Most kit cars used either the 2.0 or 2.3.

No parts from 2.0 will fit a 2.3.

Most 2.0 parts are interchangeabl e with7 another 2.0 regardless of year either pinto and capri.

Most 2.3 parts are interchangeabl e with another 2.3 regardless of year.

Do a googoe search for images of "pinto engine" and compare the photos.
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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2018, 04:53:11 PM »
THANK YOU "LONGTIME" I am on it, I will let you know...VT

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2018, 06:49:36 PM »
the engine number on 2.3s (don't know about others) is stamped at the top of the block just under the number 1 plug just behind the water pump.

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2018, 07:50:18 PM »
attached are some pictures of the engine and transmission.  I need to know engine and transmission tag location
please help with identifying both.  Thanks VT

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2018, 07:54:00 PM »
here is some of the engine

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2018, 08:23:45 PM »
RODY, is it stamped on the exhaust manifold or under it?

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2018, 09:15:01 PM »
The engine is a 2.3, which limits it to 1974-1980 models years. The trans looks like an automatic of some kind, probably a C3, but there's a small chance it could be a C4.

If the lower alternator bracket is cast aluminum and assuming it's original, then that would suggest a '79-80. A cast iron bracket would suggest '74-78.

I can't see the casting number on the exhaust manifold, but that would further narrow it down to a two or three year window.
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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2018, 09:25:39 AM »
Looking at the engine parts it can be 75 to 80 pinto , only if the oil pan has the front sump pick up , if its in the rear it could be 79 up mustang , last you could see if the tag is still on the carb , remove air cleaner and look for a tag , if the part number starts with a "D" its 70s, the number after is the year , like D7 its a 1977 or D9 its a 79 ,  just to give you an idea , but all engine parts from 74 to 90s ,pinto , ranger , mustang , and fairmont  fit , and ford industiel engines , LRG423 ,
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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2018, 09:41:26 AM »
Thanks Guys for all your help: here is more info,    right under 1st plug  *6J14*  stamped on manifold: 07EE 0376 or 78 AB   DOES THIS HELP? thanks in advance VT

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2018, 12:42:28 PM »
stamped on manifold: 07EE ........
That leading zero is a capital "D." D7EE = 1977.

Do you need to know the year or VIN of the engine for registration purposes or just for getting parts?
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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2018, 01:41:40 PM »
I'm sayinga 2.3 based on your other picture post and the fact that the distributor on the 2.0 is very close to the timing belt cover - and on your engine it is not.

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2018, 06:40:43 PM »
65shelby, THANKS A HELL OF A LOT! I am reg. in NJ and they are giving me a hell of a time. given a packet of 18 pages and must have all #s. but when ordering parts I need info also. I am keeping engine and trans. ***wittsend so you are saying its agreed I have a 2.3 many thanks. VT

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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2018, 08:49:58 PM »
65shelby, THANKS A HELL OF A LOT! I am reg. in NJ and they are giving me a hell of a time. given a packet of 18 pages and must have all #s.
Okay, that's what I suspected.
There should be a partial VIN from the donor car stamped into the block between the oil pan rail and rearmost freeze plug by the starter. It will be on a machined flat pad by itself with some kind of smallish pipe plug on the right (forward) end of the pad.


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Re: engine number location dont know year of engine
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2018, 09:43:28 PM »
65shelby, I will keep you posted, looking tomorrow. Man this .... is keeping me hopping. I thought I would have this car done for memorial day parade. last week my M37 military truck entered in the parade in my town. Had a blast. VT