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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2012, 10:44:09 PM »
chassis and weight and where the weight is, and how deep your pockets are and resources, build wheels and go from there, doesnt feel stiff enough, change springs and so on, i think it can be done, i beat my buddys m3 all day in handling, hes running r compound WIDE wheels, raceland coilovers, huge sway bars, it will pin you to the door, my pinto will put you through the door, my only problem is my 0-60 is five days long
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2012, 06:02:14 AM »
That's what I like to hear! Frankly, I'm not too concerned about 0-60 as much as off the line. If I've got the low-end torque to get into the corner faster and back out the other side, should be fun. I read another thread where folks suggested the V6 might even be better due to weight distribution, if you can fix some of the performance issues with tuning. Thoughts?

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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2012, 02:58:13 PM »
2300 is the only way to go!!!! You can't get go fast stuff any more for the other two. Theres tons of stuff out there for the 2300.
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2012, 03:02:12 PM »
Dick is right. The 2300 has  lots of stuff available. I personally chose a 2000 for vintage racing, but if you are streeting the car, or racing SCCA or NASA choose the 2300. I am at a great disadvantage in SCCA and NASA because the 2000 and 2300 are in the same class, the stock 2300 has 40 lbs of grunt more than the 2000.
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2012, 02:22:43 PM »
it would be even cooler if you can get a taurus 3.0 24v bolted to the tranny, its alittle lighter and its stock 200hp, thats my route someday after im bored with th 2.3
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2012, 03:59:18 PM »
If I've got the low-end torque to get into the corner faster and back out the other side, should be fun. Thoughts?

Its not the in you need to worry about, its corner exit speed you want.

After tracking the differences on a race GPS setup I finally got it.

I remember a quote from a drivers school I was at for one of my roadrace licenses.A Brumos Porsche driver
said," Slow in,fast out  fast in,spin out, you will find the arc of the infinite apex!"

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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2012, 04:18:47 PM »
Canyon carver? Get a set of early 90s 16x7 Pony wheels, some good 205 or 215 45 16s(the later will require a spacer in the rear)tires, the best you can afford and a good set of performance shocks. It will be a go-cart. Beefing up the brakes is a good idea but then you might as well go five lug, then you need new rear axles, which means you might as well go to an 8.8 with discs.........
 
Or this...
 

 

 
Those wheels really do look good on a Pinto!
 
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2012, 05:18:49 PM »
those wheels look almost stock on that car!!!!
 
 
 
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2012, 03:40:19 AM »
You must run a panhard bar if and only if you use long shackles to place the rear spring eyes on a level plain like the GT-Pinto boys do. Otherwise you will never see a differance on any thing short of an all out race track. Been there/done that!!!!

good point. i hadn't thought of that.
 
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2012, 03:02:09 PM »
Look in a very old Racer Walsh catalog (mid 70's) and you will see the one he sold back then. Really simple, and easy to build, and it 100% bolt on.
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2012, 10:12:42 PM »
Find youself a V-8 Mustang II from way up north (Canada) and  look at the front sway bar. A 1" bar was on some and was ease to fit on a Pinto.  Had one on my 72 race car, and its still on there after 37 years. By the way, if a sway bar doesn't line up with your control arms, just tie it down, stick a pipe over the end and bend it. It will bend very easy, even a 1" bar.
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2012, 04:02:33 PM »
FYI, Addco still advertises large (1" F & 7/8" R) sway bars for the Pinto and Bobcat.  Might be easier to locate than a parts V8 Mustang II.
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2012, 06:16:32 PM »
Grumpy is that an IRS rear end ?

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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2012, 03:06:08 AM »
Its not the in you need to worry about, its corner exit speed you want.

After tracking the differences on a race GPS setup I finally got it.

I remember a quote from a drivers school I was at for one of my roadrace licenses.A Brumos Porsche driver
said," Slow in,fast out  fast in,spin out, you will find the arc of the infinite apex!"

i remember taking a couple of laps at riverside a (long) while back.   The ride was in a Chevy Van driven by a course instructor at a CalClub event.  All track 'virgins' were required to take a lap this way to help familiarize them with the track & the best way around (relatively speaking).
 
This guy took a lap around that track with one arm on the drivers side widow sill quicker than 1/2  the guys 'racing' later that day.  Your 'slow in / fast out' saying is some good advice
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2012, 08:55:46 AM »
Heres 2 more tidbits,
"When your a$$ is hung out,both feet in!!!
Translation,
If you get in over your head,1 foot on the clutch and the other on the brake.

Exit speed is king!!!
Faster out = faster at the braking point for the next  corner=
quicker lap times.

To keep this on topic,
bigger diameter bars doesnt always equal faster.
Its all about balance front to rear.
Anything to stiffen the chassis will help also.
On our old IMSA RS Pinto they used 3/4 inch square tube
welded to the back side of the pinchwelds and tied it into the
rear suspension and rollcage.

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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2012, 12:50:12 PM »
Thanks for keeping us on topic! But the diversions have been helpful as well. Just as a teaser, I hope to have a significant update to this post mid-week. In the meantime, I'm following that the best path from stock is to upgrade suspension before engine? If I were to create a project plan that could be implemented in a modular fashion as money is available, what would be the breakdown and order? Here's a list in no particular order; feel free to break down or combine components and rearrange as necessary to make things continue to work along the way:

- rims: taller? wider? lighter? Taking into account other suspension changes (drop spindles, bigger brakes, spring/shock changes)
- tires: wider/lower profile/matched to rims obviously
- drop spindles
- sway bars
- springs (lower, or higher to counteract drop spindles?)
- shocks (any real advantages to coilovers?)
- performance leaf springs (added stiffness - but lower too?)
- what other chassis stiffeners? (do not want roll cage, want this still a street car with a tolerable ride)
- lowering overall? (covered with above components, but curious how much handling gain for lowering front/back; not looking to slam it, would almost prefer to keep it looking stock, but lower geometry of drop spindles then back up with springs or tires if there is actually a handling improvement)

Similar list for drive train separately (can do in parallel)
- Intake mods? (air filter, placement, etc.)
- Exhaust? (don't mind a new "growl", but want it still somewhat "factory", i.e. not too loud)
- flywheel?
- cams?
- pistons/rods?
- over-bore?
- crank?
- head?
- carb?
- supercharger? (would love to see this work vs. turbo; something different; see fast forward supercharger for Miata)
- rear-end size/ratio?
- driveshaft?
- 5-speed vs. 4-speed? (what performance gains, or just better for gas mileage at cruising speed? :-])

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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2012, 12:43:31 AM »
wheels are first, if you decide to use drop spindles, you can use stock front springs not cut, addco rear springs are normal height, landrum rear springs drop the rear of the car perfect with the drop spindles, when using the drop spindles, there will be clearance issues, i would suggest new rotors with arp wheel studs ready with wheel spacers, also your brake lines will need to be moved closer because at wheel lock you will be pulling them apart, you can run a 750 rate spring in the front, don't skimp on shocks, addcos will act like drag shocks after a while of "spirited driving" or hooning as i call it, so in my opinion go for pro stock shocks, thats the name of the company, ugly gold color
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2nd front spindles with new rotors with arp wheel studs
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4th adjustable upper a arms for camber adjustment if you want to make finer tuning
sway bars can go any time in the order and change all of those decrepit bushings
 
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2012, 11:18:42 AM »
Also recommend PRO SHOCKS company. They will custom make shock ends for lowered Pinto. I am using Corvette rear shocks, PRO SHOCKS fitted the two correct shock ends for very low price. Front shocks fit perfect on lowered racing Pinto
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2012, 06:24:13 PM »
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Re: Best stock setup for canyon carver?
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2012, 08:15:59 PM »
So it's one of the so called rare rear ends.....Cool find and on a seperate thread show us how to install one...BTW the guy at Trucks are working on a Ford Ranger with a V-8 Mod motor and a IRS rear end...And it's for the twisty racing that this thread is about...