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1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« on: January 04, 2020, 12:48:28 AM »
I just finished replacing the ignition and tailgate locks on my '73 wagon (I had to remove them without the key) and now the radiator blew up. Anybody know where I can get a reasonably priced radiator that will fit without too much modification? Thanks, Jerry

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2020, 06:45:43 AM »
Take your rad to a rad shop & they can remove the tanks & mount them on a new rad core.......

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2020, 07:13:00 AM »
Thanks, I thought of that, but I'm not sure if the tanks are still useable.

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2020, 05:06:15 PM »
Well, that is not good......I removed a set of tanks for a guy here & then never heard from him again.
Tried to sell them & no takers......so tossed them into scrap.
They were from a 72.

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2020, 06:33:37 PM »
Define blew up. A good radiator shop can fix about anything.
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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2020, 08:55:34 PM »
Automatic or Manual? You can use an Automatic in a Manual car but you can't use a Manual in an Automatic (meaning radiators). The early cars used a 17" wide radiator. The later cars used a 20" wide radiator. I believe it was 1974 they used both, the 17" had an extension plate.

Radiators are rather adaptable if you possess the skills and tools. Mounting hole can easily be drilled. If an Automatic, slip on connectors can be threaded into the trans cooler and then run rubber hose with clamps to the lines. It need not be a "direct replacement" but just have the general dimensions and inlet/outlet size and locations.

  FWIW, I used my old 17" Pinto radiator in my Mazda 323 with baling wire and wire ties for the fan. I only needed it for three weeks before I sold it to the State with their gross polluter buy back program. As long as it drove in, was currently register and had failed a smog test they gave $1,000. Not a bad deal for a car that was given free to me.

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2020, 12:57:48 PM »
It's a manual. Sorry about using such a non specific term. It is leaking between the top tank and core all the way across. I have not yet taken the radiator out yet, so I don't know if it is the top tank, the core, or the joint between the two, or all of the above. I am definitely mechanically inclined, and have even built engines. But I have not had much experience with radiators other than replacing them. I remember taking the radiator from my 1970 Dodge Dart to a radiator shop back in the early '80s and being told it could not be repaired. Fortunately a new one was available. I like to think I am quite good at improvising and fabricating, which is why I was hoping to find a radiator I could do that with, and have a newer and hopefully better radiator. There are plenty of universal hoses available, but the inlet and outlet would need to at least be on the same side as the original radiator to avoid having to couple hoses together and put elbows in them. That too would not be that difficult if I had a big pile of parts to work with. But I would need to know what to buy, and if it didn't work it would just be money down the drain. I was actually hoping that someone here had done this and knew of a radiator that could be made to fit. I found a couple on eBay that claim they fit a '73 Pinto, along with several other cars. The picture has the inlet and outlets on the wrong side.

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2020, 03:13:58 PM »
You might find the later Pinto (20") radiator more available.I have a '73 that has a cradle similar to a '72. IF you can't find something suitable to replace the 17"..., well I was able to convert and run a 20" (74-80). It requires cutting and welding the cradle, moving it roughly 3" outward on the drivers side. I had to redrill a few holes as well. Still it was a rather simple process. I have a FMPF (front mounted pusher fan) so a shroud might be a potential problem for an engine driven fan. On the other hand the larger radiator might negate the need for a shroud. Do note that the 20" radiator goes all the way to the lower valance  and even required in my case a little pressure on it. It flexes readily sdo it is doable.

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2020, 05:34:17 PM »
l have the 20" that was on my wagon. Looks to be fairly new and in good condition. PM if you're interested
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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2021, 03:27:40 PM »
are the 74-80 pinto radiators the same as the 2.3 mustang ii inits

i think the 50 year old radiator in my 73 is finally needing replacement..i ts been "repaired" professionally 3 times and ive soldered the upper and lower tanks multiple times..

i saw a video about a fellow who uesd a "74" and just needed to drill some n mounting holes and use spacers to get the correct front to back spacing
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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2021, 08:00:44 PM »
There were 17" (71-73) and 20" (74*-80) radiators. The asterisk on 74 is that they used the 17" radiator with the 2.0 but had a cover plate to compensate as that year forward was designed for the 20" radiator. I put the 20" in my '73 wagon.


 In my case I cut the cradle and moved the mounts but you can likely just use spacers (even a stack of washers) and drill holes. This will keep a portion out of the air flows but with a 2.0 you still will likely get better cooling than with a 17". I had to make sure that the 20" radiator was literally sitting on the valance pan because it is taller. Not sure if it is in an automatic how that factors with the trans cooler lines. I'm thinking it wouldn't but it might so I mention it. Hope the pictures help. When I cut the cradle I overlapped the metal to retain some strength.


OPPS, sure an old post (or is it old me that's old!). I never realized I pretty much said the same thing one year and 8 days a go. How time flies when you are in a Pandemic.


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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2021, 10:48:07 AM »
thanks for the info.. i saw your previous post and was going to do the same with the exception of modding the cradle...

i am definitely wanting to upgrade to a 74 or later radiator and was wondering about  compatibility, especially

1 are the pinto radiators from 74 thru 80 the same and will they fit with your mods

2 are the mustang ii radiators the same as the 74-80 pinto radiators and will they also fit the pinto with your mods

3 where did you get your 74 radiator

4 has anyone here found one of the new aluminum radiatiors that will fit a pinto
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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2021, 11:36:20 AM »
Regarding the 74-80 Pinto radiators being the same AND the Mustang II radiators being the same as the Pinto, I don't know. I'd look up an online vendor, both the 74 AND the 80 radiator and see if they have the same part number. Likewise I'd look up the Mustang II and see if the numbers match the later Pinto's. The one thing to be aware of numbers wise is the vendors MAY sell the Automatic radiator for both Auto and Manual.

As long as a radiator doesn't hit the fan (or the hood), there is sheet metal behind it to attach a bolt and the inlet/outlets are relative to attaching a hose they are very adaptable. I used my old 17" Pinto radiator in my Mazda 323 to squeeze another month out of it before I sold it to the state as a gross polluter. I also crammed a Dodge Diplomat oversize radiator in my Plymouth Valiant.

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2021, 02:03:36 PM »
hi..  well after some research i found an aftermarker crossflow aluminum radiator made by Eastman.

Its made for a.small.block chevy so it should provide more than enough cooling, the inlet and outlet ports are the same as the pinto and the dimensions should allow it to be used in a pinto wi5h spacers as mentioned above.

its 22 inches wide which would allow it to in the 24 wide space between the frame rails, 19 in high and has mountong flanges to allow it to be mounted with spacers.

and it sells for $169 and i think shipping is free?

here is a link to the website

https://www.eastwood.com/triflow

spec are here

https://www.eastwood.com/images/pdf/20150_Specs.pdf
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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2021, 06:06:16 PM »
eastmon 2o150 is for str drive trans. i have a radiator cat.at work i can get part#s no's for ones that will work with automatics.i was wondering if mustang11s are the same too.i am assuming yours is not std drive..davidpi nto.....
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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2021, 06:51:37 PM »
mine is a 4 speed std car...

does anyone have any experience with eastwood products?

i spoke to the teck support guy at eastwood and he seemed friendly and informed about their products so i think i am going to order the radiator and see how it fits.
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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2021, 06:44:16 PM »
If you go with that radiator could you let us know if it works? I also have a 1973 wagon. I had the radiator repaired by a local shop about a year ago. It's still holding, but I don't know for how long. I live in the Phoenix, AZ area, where it is HOT, and does not freeze during the winter. I am using a 160 degree thermostat, distilled water in the cooling system, and running it with the radiator cap loosened to a half turn so it does not build up pressure. It runs fine that way, and even in the middle of the summer, when it is 115+ degrees, the temperature of the water does not get close to 212 degrees. Yes, it takes it longer to warm up, but it never really gets cold here, and the car does not have a heater. I am afraid that pressurizing the cooling system might cause it to start leaking again.

Oh, and can I ask where you got the 14" wheels? Several years ago I saw some 14" chrome smoothies from Summit Racing with a Pinto bolt pattern, but they are not there anymore.

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2021, 12:41:58 AM »
the wheels are

American racing Outlaw AR62, here is a link to discount tire

https://www.discounttire.com/buy-wheels/american-racing-ar62-outlaw-ii

i.also.found another radiator from Speedway motors that i think may fit.. it is 22 inches wide and 20 inches high but doesnt have any mounting flanges so it would be necessary to fabricate a cradle..

i plan to make cardboard box with the same dimensions and see how it fits. Will update as i progress

here is the link..

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speedway-Chevy-SBC-BBC-Universal-Aluminum-Radiators,3557.html

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2021, 10:38:29 AM »
after more research i discovered that the easewood radiator is a triple.pas meaning the water goes back and forth thru the radiator for max cooling for.racing engines and tonaccomplish this it may be necessary tk have a high capacity water pump.

5he second one, the speedway that i posted is  a single pass meaning the water only goes thru once is probably better for street use with a factory water pump.

heres a link to an explanation

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/the-toolbox/single-pass-double-pass-triple-pass-radiators-what-s-the-difference/28862
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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2021, 05:06:26 PM »
i have been researching radiators that would work in pintos.the closest i can find is mustang 11.  w/o air part# cu418 core size 15 1/8 x 20 1/4 ..with air part# cu419 core size 17 3/8 x 20 1/4 .they would work easily.the main difference is the bottom spout is straight on both.they both have flange for shroud.availib ility?
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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator. -Similar issue
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2021, 05:43:33 PM »
  I tried to find a shop to fix my 1972 heater core - I felt like I was asking for a miracle. Took it to 3 shops that advertise radiator repairs - they looked at it with amazement and said - "Those are unfix-able - they were specialty built" -

  Back in the 1970's there was many shops around that could repair radiators and heater cores . I cant believe how many shops can only do replacements - they have no talents or skills to repair.

 Wonder why everything is made over seas - we are screwing our selves out of future jobs. Sad  :'(

http://aftermarketautostore.com/ecom.asp?pg=products&specific=jscsfnkrm
Core Material: Copper
Tank Material: Brass
Flow Type: Downflow
Row No.: 2
Core Height: 15 1/8
Core Width: 20 1/4
Core Depth: 1 1/4
Tube No.: 0
Tube Size: 0,500
Fin Per Inch: 12
Inlet Header: 3 1/8 x 20 1/2
Outlet Header: 1 5/8 x 19 3/4
Inlet: 1 1/4
Outlet: 1 1/4
EOC: None
TOC: 10 ( Concentric )
Mounting: Flange Mount

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2021, 06:12:59 PM »
the problem is the price of copper and the EPA  regulations that prohibit the use of lead solder in many states..

if you investigare the chrome plating shops, they too have been regulared out of existence.

also.with aluminum welding tech and the price of aluminum i think most of the radiator mfrs have switched to aluminum cross flow and there are quite a few located in the usa.

i had a price from a rebuilder to replace my copper core that was made in Dallas and the cost of the core alone was like $400.

compared.to a complete aluminum radiator for $140 including shipping.

also not much of a market for radiators.for. 50 year olf cars.
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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2021, 07:06:19 PM »
 Yes - we did it to our selves - and we just did it again yesterday !

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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2021, 08:03:38 PM »
I have a 2.0 radiator out of a 72 , it was good when I pulled it , free if you want it , will take photos if you like , it came out of a automatic, just plug the cooler and go , later Blaine in Mississippi
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2021, 07:01:31 PM »
Looking at BMW radiators for late 60s to late 70s for the 2002 model. Haven't tried one, but they look like a possible fit with minor fab work. Maybe relocating mounting holes. This is all the further I have researched.

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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2021, 08:54:41 PM »
i just bought the 22" "SBC" radia5or from speedway and am now in the process of instslling it.

so.far i have some brackets made that allow the rediator to be fitted with no sheet metsl mods..

the onlu problem.so far is the bose connections.. the aluminum radiator has a 1 1/2" inlet and 2" outlet.  i have found a hose 5hat fits the lower, ie from 1 1/2" at water pump to 2" at radiator.

i am extending the factory hose with a pieece of tubing.. 

will post pix and details and part numbers for the radiator and hoses when i finish...
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Re: 1973 2.0 wagon radiator.
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2021, 07:18:36 PM »
i just posted about installing a new aluminum cross flow radiator in my 73 wagon...

check it out and if you have any comments or questions let me know
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