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71 pinto windshield measurements
« on: February 07, 2014, 02:25:42 PM »
hey guys, I am looking into rebuilding a kit car that is missing its windshield which is from a 1971 (early model) pinto. I am living in Ireland and there are no ford pintos to be found in this country but I have been told that a 1978 mk 2 ford escort windshield will fit the car. My problem is that I cant find the measurements of a pinto windshield ANYWHERE ON THE NET!!!!!!!

therefor I turn you guys to help me with my problem. Would someone be good enough to measure their pinto windshield and reply with the measurements so I can stop pulling my hair out trying to find the answer to a very simple problem.

The measurements I need are the height of the centre of the screen and the distance  from one bottom corner to the other inside and along the bottom of the shield outside corner to corner.

anyhelp would be excellent.
 Thanks Dave.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2014, 04:30:25 PM »
hi dave
i am in england and have 3 pinto,s  :) i will measure you one and post it here i am a empty head  so may need a prompt,

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2014, 08:44:56 PM »
Cheers Dunc. Any help would be appreciated.

The measurement which would help me are the height of the centre of the screen edge to edge.
The width  from one bottom corner to the other on the inside(without following the curve of the glass) if this can be done without the dash getting in the way.
And finally along the bottom of the shield from corner to corner this time following the curve of the glass(because you have no choice but to follow the curve ::). ).
I hope this makes sense to you. By the way you don't have to be perfect within 10mm or 1/2 an inch should give me enough of an idea to know if I'm on a wild goose chase or not.
 
Thanks Dave

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2014, 09:19:37 PM »
Lots of room still for major error there. The glass may curve evenly all the way across or curve more out at the ends and the curve measurement LENGTH would not reflect that at all. Top may curve differently from the bottom as well.

Really need more like a realworld 3D plotting of points in space there......... .............. .........

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2014, 01:25:49 PM »
I'm only looking for some basic measurements to see Is there is any truth to the theory that this screen from the escort can fit the car but If you can get me a 3D plotting that would be ideal for a definitive answer to my question.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2014, 02:56:37 PM »
I have no one here to help measure..., but a cloth tape goes a long way to helping.  Also using tape to continue the lines and square off the corners (for measurement purposes) might make for more definitive points.

MT6020: I'm interested in your kit car.  Years ago I recall a kit car that was "similar" to a...??? Ferrari???  I recall the car used Pinto doors and a Vega hatchback to simplify those body panels.  I searched the internet a while back, but found nothing.  What have you?

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2014, 04:51:56 PM »
I haven't just bought it yet because I would like to get this problem sorted out first before I commit to it.
You are absolutely correct about the kit car though its a Ferrari dino  (246 gt) lookalike kit. It was produced in the seventies and the and its correct tittle over on this side of the sea is an "RW karma" and if you search it on the interweb you should find plenty of pics.
Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2014, 07:20:56 PM »
Thank you for getting back about your kit car.  I have FINALLY found the kit car I refer to above (it is NOT a RW Karma).  It is actually called a Fierro 600. It is not to be confused with the Pontiac Fiero.

This is a Google image link:  https://www.google.com/search?biw=1440&bih=783&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Joe+Fierro+600&oq=Joe+Fierro+600&gs_l=img.3...13513.14055.0.14326.3.3.0.0.0.0.51.149.3.3.0....0...1c.1.34.img..3.0.0.PPrl_eRdGEg

I chose this path so you can find the image of your choosing.  Pinto owners will recognize the doors to our cars though they look different without a drip edge over them.  The Vega hatch is also recognizable. I'm posting this here since it came up in conversation, but I'll start a fresh post more pertinent to the Fierro 600 / Pinto door subject.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2014, 07:47:51 PM »
I certainly have no 3D plot but you can get some idea by looking at other Pintos say in the gallery here and other places. The shield does not curve hard toward the ends but does seem to increase curve gently in the last 12 inches or so from the ends.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2014, 07:14:24 AM »
I had an idea there would be some confusion in relation to the kit car. So far all I can find is that the kit car I am looking into is a RW karma. http://www.classic-kitcars.com/classic-kitcar-details.php?82. The only story I can find is that the karma is a European version of what was originally an American kit car so with your evidence I suspect the Fierro 600 is the original and a man by the name of Robert Wooley (RW) imported it to Europe but changed the moulds to suit a VW beetle donor car with resulted in the "karma" being released. If you compare both cars the front is almost identical but from the B pillars back they are quite different.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2014, 03:56:40 PM »
No, for sure these are two different kit cars.  I was just guessing that the car I knew had Pinto doors might also use a Pinto windshield. But it is now obvious the RW Karma is not the Feirro 600.  Sorry if my guess caused you any confusion.

It might help if you could post a picture (or link to) the Escort that supposedly uses the same windshield as a Pinto.  Those of us who are familiar with the Pinto windshield might be able to tell right off if it is close or not.  If it isn't close then it would rule out the Escort replacement.  At least you would know that a "No" would mean only the real Pinto windshield would work.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 12:47:29 PM »
If you search under"Ford Escort Mk 2" you should get plenty of photos so as to get several different angles for a better inspection.
http://www.dmmultimedia.com/escort2_01.htm this link should give you an idea of the car in question so you will know when pics come through.
Its a very popular car over here for rallying and dominated the sport during the late seventies all over Europe.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2014, 03:40:50 PM »
As I see the Pinto windshield there is a curvature to the outer edge I don't see in the Escort. Also the radius at the top corner looks tighter on the Pinto windshield.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2014, 04:32:40 PM »
Knock the 'P' off the end of that link and it works......... .............. go to the 'compositing'  Escort by the water pic and the base of Escort 'shield clearly looks straighter on Escort than Pinto out toward the ends. The Pinto one curves more in last few inches at the base.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2014, 01:18:39 PM »
Thanks Guys. That's the best pic of a pinto windshield I've seen and it clears up a lot for me.  I think its fairly conclusive its a myth. It basically means the kit car is not financially viable. By the time I would import a screen for it ( and no one I know would guarantee the windshield while shipping.) it would cost too much.
Thanks again for all your help.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2014, 01:35:47 PM »
I can grasp your disappointment .  Three years ago I bought a '64 Studebaker Daytona off Ebay.  The pictures never showed a cracked windshield and I didn't think to ask. So, I was stuck looking for a windshield for a car that the company went out of business 46 years prior.  Even back in the day I doubt much effort was made to have spares for a company that was no longer making cars.

After a year and a half search I had to settle for a windshield that had many scratches, and a bull's eye.  It was also 400 miles from my home.  And, as it turned out the glass was actually for a convertible/station wagon and the seller had to cut the upper/outer corners about 1/2".

So, yea, windshields can sure be a deal breaker some times. Hopefully something better will come along for you.

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Re: 71 pinto windshield measurements
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2015, 04:07:07 PM »
I've got a karma and also looking for a front windscreen