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4spd shifter
« on: January 06, 2008, 03:03:23 PM »
Anyone got a detailed exploded view of the 4 speed shifter... I know mine has been off by someone else and it just don`t feel right.. If you don`t know where the gears are by heart you can`t shift it.. It feels like maybe a spring,or a detent is missing.
With a cutting torch and welded anything will fit.

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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2008, 05:45:01 PM »
Replace the little plastic part the shifter plugs into and it'll shift like new. Pintony has them for sale.
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2008, 12:35:45 AM »
OK Yes I have the plastic piece.. BUT I am working on a part that I think almost all original Pinto shifters needs.
 Pintony shift improver kit!!!!
 Stay tuned!!!
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2008, 11:06:30 AM »
a short throw kit maybe.

on a similar subject;  i had the shifter come out in my hand many times while drag racing. happen to any one else?
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2008, 12:08:48 PM »
Cool, Let me know when you get it done.
I would still like an exploded view of the shifter
With a cutting torch and welded anything will fit.

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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2008, 12:29:58 PM »
a short throw kit maybe.

on a similar subject;  i had the shifter come out in my hand many times while drag racing. happen to any one else?

Yep, happened to me also. The little roll pin would either slide out or break.
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2008, 03:49:36 AM »
no not that.  the whole darn thing. threaded plasic 'nut' and all. ripped it right through the boot and darn near tore a hole in the headliner!
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2008, 04:15:20 PM »
Hello Group,
 Here is the shift improver that I am working on.
First remove the big C-clip and cut the boot off the shifter.
 As you can se the boot is broken into 2 pieces.
 The boot is what keeps the shifter from jumping into reverse all the time.
The boot may not be broke like this one but is weak from age.


Thanks Dave for helping with my sepllung ;D

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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2008, 04:21:26 PM »
I bought a spring just bigger than the dia. of the shifter shaft and opened up one end to fit into the cup, then wound it around the shifter,
 Then replaced the C-clip. +
Added a generous amount of grease...

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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2008, 04:25:40 PM »
Then I used zip-ties to hold the boot I cut the slice in..
 The shifter now should act as it did when new and the reverse lockout "GATE" should be restored...

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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2008, 05:41:56 PM »
Last summer I went to the pick and pull and found an old shifter in a 79 Sedan, still had a good boot on it and everything. I brought it home and put it in, just because it had a better boot on it.

I had no idea that the Pintos had this reverse lockout on it. I pulled out my old shifter (I keep everything that was original on the car) and took a look at it. Sure enough, the C-clip that holds the boot down had slid up the shaft. So I put the old clip on and I can now see exactly how this reverse lockout feature works.

I just got done fixing the shifter in the car (same problem, loose c-clip) and my gosh what a difference. To bad I can't rest my hand to the left and light up my backup lights while driving down the freeway now. ;)

But really, this should definitely change the way I drive the car!

I would still love to see what pintony has in store for this fix, and will probably end up getting a "fix kit" from him to
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2008, 07:13:24 PM »
I`m going to try the mod... Where did you find the spring you used? got any mesurements of the spring?

Also, what is the idea of using the spring.. I`m assumning it pushes up on the shifter. Is there something inside the pivot point of the shifter that waresout ?

I`m not questioning your mod, I just like to understand how things work.
With a cutting torch and welded anything will fit.

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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2008, 07:35:55 PM »
The shifter in my '80 came out on me a couple times. The second time, it stripped the nylon threads. Both times going into 3rd. My knuckles haven't been the same since!
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2008, 09:04:44 PM »
Hello Wedge 446,
 When the shifter is NEW the rubber boot >"is"< the spring I added.
I added the spring to hold tension between the cup and the C-clip, so the reverse lockout would work as it did when the boot was new.

The rubber boot is the only thing that holds the ball in the socket.
 Originally the boot is taller than the distance between the cup and the C-clip.
 Without this tension the shifter will feel real sloppy in your hand and while shifting from 2nd to 1st geat there is "NO GATE" and the shifter slips into the reverse gear slot.

 After 30 years the boot is decayed. The boot in my posts is so bad it has collapsed between 1 of the bellows and is now in 2 pieces no longer holding the shifter UP.
 When the Pinto is NEW you have to "POP" the shifter down-ward with the palm of your hand to get into reverse.
 Tomorrow I will buy another spring and put something in the photo to help add scale to the photo+ measurements of the spring I used.
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2008, 09:22:30 PM »
Tony,

Did you put the boot back on just to keep grease in and dirt out?

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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2008, 09:32:25 PM »
Tony,

Did you put the boot back on just to keep grease in and dirt out?

Dave

Hello Dave,
 Yes the original Pinto shifter boot is only keeping the dirt out of the shifter now.
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2008, 02:11:21 PM »
I understand now.. Thanks
I was lucky, my spring boot is still in one peice.. I took a washer to use a a shim between the E clip and the rubber boot/spring as a temp. fix until I find a spring like you have.
Thanks for the info.
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2008, 04:45:20 PM »
Has anyone tried this..

http://racerwalsh.zoovy.com/product/RWA3144/Pinto_shifter_Racer_Walsh.html

I ordered one and it looks like if a little metal work is done on the forks it will work...
It screws right down in the trans perfectly and has it's own spring built in...

Just needs slight work on the forks to make them match up to the original Pinto shifter.. (71-73)...

I'm not the expert so... what say you?
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2008, 04:49:14 PM »
Hey Scott,
 Yes that is a serious COOL shifter.
 My parts cost less than 2 bucks.
In what way do you have to modify the R. W. shifter to make it work???
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2008, 04:55:35 PM »
I guess I need to post pictures but it looks like the forks just needs ground down (height) about 1/4 inch or less and more of a pronounced notch needs to be added to allow for the reverse push down and over.. It almost works just as it is..

I have another question...

I pulled the stock shifter from my mustard runabout and there is a round clip or ring that fits inside the transmission after you take the shifter out...  In all the Pintos O I have played with I don't remember this... My green runabout does not have this nor does a rebuilt trans I have on the shelf...

The really bad thing is that this clip is now not in the trans housing correctly & I don't know how to get it back where it was...

What is it?
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2008, 05:11:43 PM »
Hello Scott,
 I have the ring NOS and I know where it goes but as to it's functon??? I'm not sure.
 Actually I just figured out how the reverse lock-out works last night....
I'm sure it just drops in the hole where the shifter goes. Maybe it is there to center the shifter or to keep it from shaking while in neutral???
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2008, 08:38:53 PM »
Could you post a picture of this ring? It might be on my 79 shifter.
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2008, 01:01:10 AM »
UPDATE!!!!
  The ring that Scott mentioned is listed in the "BIG BLUE BOOK" as a shifter STOP.
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2008, 01:52:38 AM »
So what exactly is it's purpose?I do not see it on my 78 and may go on a hunt to find one.
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2008, 01:11:19 PM »
Here is a Photo if the shifter saddle that makes the shifter feel less sloppy and the shifter stop..
 Hope this helps the members here???
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2008, 08:37:17 PM »
I do have the plastic bushing but not the ring clip in the photo. What is the diameter of the rod and how hard would it be to fabricate this form a stainless steel rod?
Our beverage bar drink grates have 1/8" stainless rods that break off from time to time from age. If one comes off again soon I may take it home and attempt a fabrication of this part.
If you could get me the diameter of the rod, the diameter of the circle in the photo, the distance from the straightened part and the begining of the circle and the distance of each straight part before the bends I could possible make something for us with 4 speed trannys that do no have this.
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2008, 09:08:06 PM »
Hello Dave,
 The ring is spring steel so I do not think you could bend it out of stock material.
 If you come to the Tulsa meet or the Knottsberry meet I will bring you one.
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2008, 10:48:23 PM »
Tony. YES.. that is it..

Cool.. Shifter stop.. what is that?  And more importantly how does one put it back?  Can I assume that it must be utilized with the push down reverse in some way soooo I need to 'farkle' around and try to see how this fits back in there with the original shifter.. then I can try with the replacement...

Shifter stop... maybe restricting the shifter from moving in one specific direction?

It came out on me when I tried to install the new shifter, only then (after it was out of the transmission) did I know it even existed...

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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2008, 02:00:33 AM »
So I experienced this "shifter pulling out" thing that a few of you have had. My shifter came out of the tranny tonight while shifting into second. It remained in the boot but the threaded screw down retainer that holds it to the tranny came out. I forgot to push down the tabs that keep it from turning counter-clockwise. It's all better now though. :)
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Re: 4spd shifter
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2008, 11:07:09 AM »
So I experienced this "shifter pulling out" thing that a few of you have had. My shifter came out of the tranny tonight while shifting into second. It remained in the boot but the threaded screw down retainer that holds it to the tranny came out. I forgot to push down the tabs that keep it from turning counter-clockwise. It's all better now though. :)

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