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4.0 V6 Pinto
« on: January 28, 2015, 07:50:19 AM »
With all the talk of 4.0 V6 pintos lately i've been thinking about doing a 4.0 swap instead of converting my DIS EFI NA 2.3 into a turbo. The 2.3T probably has more potential (possibly more performance parts for them), but the 4.0 is nicer and would be more than sufficient for me. (I have a 4.3 chevy with nearly the same hp/tq in my Volvo station wagon that is almost twice as heavy as the pintos are, and its pretty quick too, so i can only imagine what a similar engine would do in the pinto)


Has anyone done this swap with a SOHC 4.0? Any clearance problems or anything else that needs to be resolved? Can a T5 be used behind it or could i convert to a 4r44E or 5r44e automatic? (will those fit in the trans tunnel?)



If i am to do this swap i will need V6 motor mounts, oil pan, pickup tube, dipstick and dipstick tube....if anyone has those for sale i might be interested.... . I think I can get a decent 4.0 from a pick n pull yard for cheap....


Cant wait to hear from you guys...opinion s and ideas please!!
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Re: 4.0 V6 Pinto
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2015, 11:05:48 AM »
Hey, still in the planning mode on this one, I have already done the mock up on my 79 cruse wagon , 4.0 or Diesel ) it does fit tight at the top on the pass side but doable , you will need pinto or mustang II 2.8 engine mounts , and oil pan, the pick up tube will have to have a small mod, the oil pump is in the same place but inlet on the pump is not, the oil pan will need to have the left side changed some , moved outward about 1/2 inch , right side does not, (see photos) you can fit the 4R44E or the 5R44E, they are the same as the A4LD , which I have in my car , only they are electronic, you will have to move the trans mount back 4 1/2" and cut the drive shaft the same, Photo of the trans mount is the pinto gallerys under my name, the oil filter housing you will have to use the 2.8 pinto or do the remote ,(also in my photos ) from what I found out the 4.0 up to 98 or 99 had the holes to mount the 2.8 motor mount brackets , after that they changed , not there, I also use the 4.0 starter on my pinto , it is on the drivers side , and smaller , hope this helps , later Blaine
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Re: 4.0 V6 Pinto
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2015, 06:40:39 AM »
Sounds good. I have a couple questions about what you just said tho.

First off, I dont understand what you mean about moving the left side of the oil pan out 1/2"/ Did you cut it and reweld it or what? I cant see from the pictures. Also you say the oil pump is different - are you just using a 2.8 pinto pump to solve that issue? And you also said the 99 or so 4.0s dont have the 2.8 mounting holes anymore.... does that mean that a pre 99 engine must be used? If thats the case, that may be the 160hp version instead of the 207hp  version... and might not be SOHC either. Still might be a nice swap tho, and there are probably turbochargers or superchargers for them.... i know the 4.0 cologne V6 was used as late as 2010 in the mustang... so there are bound to be some performance parts for them....

Finally, in your mock up, did you have the exhaust manifolds installed? Everything clear ok with them if so?
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Re: 4.0 V6 Pinto
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2015, 08:51:52 AM »
Yes the photos somwhat kind of zoop, but it's just one side of the oil pan you have to mod , not much, the 2.8 oil pump turns the wrong way (cam has a gear)) to 4.0. Has chain, but can be fixed easy,,  on the exhaust. I found the 2.9 Scorpio manifolss word work, today I will drag out the block into the sunlight and take a better photo, but the bad part about this engine is you can not mix and match to many parts, still I have not made up my mind up yet to use which engine, 4.0 or diesel, but have both,
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Re: 4.0 V6 Pinto
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2015, 08:59:39 AM »
I'VE OFTEN THOUGHT OF A DIESEL PINTO.SEEN ONE IN A BOOK FROM  BACK IN THE 70'S THAT HAD A DIESEL PINTO AN IT WAS GETTING LIKE 45 MILES TO THE GALLON

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Re: 4.0 V6 Pinto
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2015, 10:09:08 AM »
yep had that book too, it was done buy a company willcap I think, they used a Nissan SD-22 , good engine, but did not like the way they cut the x member , I the one I have is the spare for my 240D MB, will move on the pinto after I finish my wife,s Bronco II , 300SD turbo diesel into it,  so I am no stranger to engine swaps , have the 4.0 already and the T-5 , for eather one, was going to use the A4LD but that ended up in my 76 pinto V-6 , still have to find a mustang II 2.8 bell housing so I can put the T-5 behind the 4.0,
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Re: 4.0 V6 Pinto
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2015, 10:27:25 AM »
IS THE 240D MOTOR A STRAIGHT 6 OR 4

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Re: 4.0 V6 Pinto
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2015, 10:43:12 AM »
its a four, the 300d is a five,   the 240d engine is the same length , has the oil sump in the front , dropped in it to see how it fits and would be very easy to do, the only thing I would have to work on is the oil filter housing , also the early ones took the same A/C compressor as the pinto and on the same side, almost way to easy , but will make my mind up at the end of this summer, on which way I am going to go, one more engine you could look at is the 2.9 24V , its has 205 hp, and a bolt in, use the same block as the2.8/ 2.9 ranger only they installed cosworth heads,
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Re: 4.0 V6 Pinto
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2015, 10:53:39 AM »
VERY INTERESTING.I MIGHT HAVE TO THINK ABOUT DOING IT.WIRING WOULD PROBABLY BE MY ONLY PROBLEM

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Re: 4.0 V6 Pinto
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2015, 11:32:35 AM »
wiring is not that hard, just about the same if you were stuffing a turbo 2.3 , done the same installing a CFI TBI on my 76 2.8, think the same amount if wire except for the mass air meter here is a better photo of the oil pan where you have a change to fit, on the right you see a stud , and from there on back you see the block holes for the oil pan bolted to , old pan was aluminum , so only this spot has to be reworked , later Blaine :o
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