Author Topic: 2.3L serpentine conversion (Read 13801 times)

jimdaug · « **on:** April 10, 2010, 01:21:39 AM »

I have kit car with a 74ish 2.3 liter ford motor in it and I'd like to change it to serpentine, because the single v-belt is a really tight squeeze to get on the crank pulley. I can't really get a longer belt either, because the alternator would then rub on the driver's side of the engine compartment. Also the single v-belt will squeal because I think it's too much for it to spin the 3G alternator that I put on.

So a few questions
Will 5.0 liter mustang pulleys fit, or am I going to have to scrounge up an 80s model LX or T-bird. EDIT: although, it just occurred to me that the 5.0 motor's water pump spins the opposite way :mad:.

Or would something like this work...
http://www.needhp.com/ford23serpentineunderdrivepulleykit.aspx
although I don't need an underdrive, just serpentine pulleys.

Also, it's just the crank, water pump, and alternator. There is no A/C or power steering. I'm not worried about the alternator pulley, I think there are plenty to be found.

Any thoughts or ideas greatly appreciated

-James

71pintoracer · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2010, 07:39:07 AM »

Look for a 2.3 T-Bird Turbo Coupe or Mercur(sp?). They had serp belts.

Fred Morgan · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2010, 11:02:08 AM »

This is out of 93 Mustang has power everything. Fred

Bigtimmay · « **Reply #3 on:** April 10, 2010, 03:02:41 PM »

89-92 rangers with the dis motor have serpentine setups too

jimdaug · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2010, 10:21:47 PM »

Thanks for the info, Fred and Bigtimmay. I didn't realize that setup was around for that long. There should be plenty of early 90s mustangs and or rangers around me. The only issue I see is that the power steering pump gets kicked way out to the right there. It's a pretty tight engine bay. I'll snap a pic if I get a chance.

But, It looks like maybe I just need the water pump and crank pulleys.
Did the crank pulley go on without any trouble?

Bigtimmay · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2010, 10:26:11 PM »

crank pulleys should be a direct swap and as for the powersteering pump not clearing alot of the 2.3 rangers didnt come with powersteering.

What kinda kit cars this motor in?

Mike Modified · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2010, 10:27:26 PM »

Here's one way to get the Ranger alternator to the passenger side.

http://forum.merkurclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12217

On a 2.3T it looks, with the Turbocoupe powersteering on the driver's side, like this:

Mike

jimdaug · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2010, 01:32:50 AM »

@Mike, Hah, that's different. The only reason I wouldn't go for that is that the alternator I have is practically brand new from P&A Performance. I think that the crank and pulley info from your link should get me there tho. I'll see if I can snap a picture while I'm out there tomorrow and maybe there'll be an even better solution.

@Bigtimmay, its called a Gazelle. It's a 1929 Mercedes SSK replicar.

It actually became somewhat of a nightmare for me and my dad a couple of years ago. The windshield motor wrapped some of the wiring behind the dash switches up into it and we didn't realize it. The garage we used to go to tried to fix it, but it still didn't quite work right so he told me to go ahead and put a whole new wiring harness in. So over the past 2 or 3 years ( I can't remember any more) I put a Painless harness in with the fuse box in the trunk, and took the A/C and Heater core out because it wasn't even hooked up. I also put a 3G alternator on it and fixed/removed some of the other kludges like coffee cans that were use as vent outlets, and banished the wiper motor over to the passenger side where there is no wiring to get hold of.

I'm getting pretty close to being done tho. :lol: I had to replace the fuel pump today because it decided to start spitting gas out of it. We're gonna hopefully get it to an upholstery shop in the next month or so.

Bigtimmay · « **Reply #8 on:** April 11, 2010, 12:34:57 PM »

Yup i know wat a gazzelle kit car is there was a guy around me trying to sell one for some time i think he wanted 2500 for it i always thought about trying to stuff my 2.3t under the hood of it but when i looked under the hood i was sad to see how little the space there was. Sucks too 300hp 2.3t in a 1800 lb car woulda been a great time. haha

jimdaug · « **Reply #9 on:** April 11, 2010, 10:45:38 PM »

Oh yeah, it scoots with the stock motor in it. I can't help but think it's a deathtrap as small as it is, but that makes it exciting

dholvrsn · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2010, 01:45:57 PM »

There is also the problem of fan clearance, especially with the original '70s Pinto fans.

jimdaug · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2010, 10:50:16 PM »

Clearance shouldn't be a problem. There's a 2in spacer on the water pump pulley right now.

dholvrsn · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2010, 09:30:25 AM »

Some of the AC duty fans have large blades that angle back.

Pangra74 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 13, 2010, 09:40:15 AM »

I'm running a serpentine conversion on my 74 2.3. I also added power steering to mine. Got the parts from a 93 Mustang if I remember correctly. The only thing I had to do was open the hole a little in the new water pump pulley as the newer water pump has a smaller shaft size. Works great with a Spal 12" electric fan.
The stock air cleaner can just fits behind the alternator.
Joe

Fred Morgan · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2010, 10:50:56 AM »

Joe got the power rack from me out of a 78. I have an 80 availiable if needed. Fred

jimdaug · « **Reply #15 on:** April 14, 2010, 05:58:37 PM »

That's ok Fred, there's not enough room for the pump and I don't want to mess with running lines for it. I probably will be adding an electric fan at some point. Right now I just want to get the thing running again

.

EDIT: Pictures!!!! They're not great, but it'll give you an idea of how cramped everything is.

jimdaug · « **Reply #16 on:** April 17, 2010, 01:58:42 AM »

would the water pump pulley off of a 3.0L work? I found one on ebay for $15 i haven't had a chance to go junk yard diving yet.

Mike Modified · « **Reply #17 on:** April 17, 2010, 10:29:44 AM »

3.0 won't fit. If you need a water pump, they are readily available new or rebuilt. Rebuilt at Napa is around $24.00.

Mike

Bigtimmay · « **Reply #18 on:** April 17, 2010, 11:58:33 AM »

wow 24 bucks rebuilt they are only 15.99 at oriellys new is 32.99 im glad we got oriellys here lol

jimdaug · « **Reply #19 on:** April 17, 2010, 10:57:25 PM »

Nah, just need the pulley. Although it might not be a bad idea just for maintenance sake. I'm guessing the 5.0 liter pulleys won't work either. There was a set of those on ebay for like $20. I'll just have to get to junk yard one of these days.

Mike Modified · « **Reply #20 on:** April 18, 2010, 04:45:24 PM »

Quote from: jimdaug on April 17, 2010, 10:57:25 PM

Nah, just need the pulley. Although it might not be a bad idea just for maintenance sake. I'm guessing the 5.0 liter pulleys won't work either. There was a set of those on ebay for like $20. I'll just have to get to junk yard one of these days.

Note to self: spend at least 30 minutes daily here: http://www.rif.org/

Mike

jimdaug · « **Reply #21 on:** April 20, 2010, 01:00:55 AM »

I don't get it.

Mike Modified · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2010, 11:17:34 AM »

While reading your question, I clumsily passed over the word "pulley", hence my first response about water pumps.

The whimsical part of me thinks that the cited website could help my poor reading skills.

Mike

jimdaug · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2010, 11:49:13 PM »

Ah, no prob. I thought maybe I had missed something and stuck my foot in my mouth. :lol:

jimdaug · « **Reply #24 on:** December 06, 2010, 09:07:19 PM »

Resurrecting my thread,

I know this is a little delayed, but I in May I herniated a disc in my back and ended up having to have a discectomy, so I've been down and out for a while.

I'm doing much better now and I'm finally installing my serpentine pulleys, and I had read, but forgot until I tried to put the water pump pulley on, that the hole needs to be enlarged to 3/4".

How precise does that hole have to be? Do I need to go to a machine shop and have them bore it out, or can I grind it with dremel or die grinder?

Thanks for any info,

EDIT: I searched a little bit and found that Pangra74 had done the conversion so I PMed him and he said he used a stepped unibit type drill to enlarge the hole and hasn't had any problems. That sounds like it should work well since the bit is short and stiff and the steps will keep the bit centered. I'll give it a go and report back.

James

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