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2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« on: November 20, 2018, 11:44:12 PM »
I was just thinking that since the 2.0 engines are getting rare, perhaps a thread could be started with building tips for them..
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2018, 11:38:58 AM »
Apparently not rare enough.  For years I've been trying to find a buyer for my 2.0. I removed it when I went to a 2.3 Turbo engine.  86k miles, air cleaner to oil pan, fan to flexplate. Compression was in the 125 to 140-ish range. The engine smoked so I assume it was the valve seals??? The only other negative is that a heater hose ruptured and the coolant cracked the exhaust manifold. But I assume anyone who would want the engine would rebuild it and use a header anyway.

I offered it for the mere sum of the core charge at Pick Your Part ($75) and never got any takers. Anyway, I have no intentions of shipping it but if anyone is willing to pick it up, it is still $75.  I'm in Southern California.

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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2018, 11:55:47 AM »
Hi.. thanks for the update.. too bad we didnt connect before i moved from north hollywood to texas.  The problem that I have encounteres isnt with finding rebuildable cores, its finding performance equipment like headers, manifolds, etc and sources for tuning tips, such as how much valve lift/head milling can you use before needing to notch the pistons..

I see a lot of info about the later model 2.3 engines but not much for the 2.0

I do see some folks posting about 2.0 performance upgrades and assume the die hards might want to stay in touch to compare notes..
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2018, 12:07:32 PM »
Got ya. Well at least it prompted me to again make my 2.0 engine availability known.  To quote Ben Stein, "Anybody..., anybody..., anybody?

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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2018, 12:51:17 PM »
Did you ever get involved in building a performance 2.0.  Ive found that with some basic mods, carburetors, distributor recurve and cam t8mi g a stock cammed 2.0 can be improved a lot
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2018, 01:01:45 PM »
No, I never did. I had the 5 sp. Turbo Coupe as my daily driver for 10 years. So it was "donor ready."  Cart before the horse I had the donor car before I had the Pinto to do the transplant.  With the auto trans the 2.0 was very underpowered. And with the 2.3 turbo ready and waiting I never opted to improve the 2.0.

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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2018, 01:08:54 PM »
Well back in 1980 i had a 72 capri with a 2.0 and i redid the engine with a 465x 310 isky cam, mallory dual point distributor, hooker header and 390 cfm holly 4 bbl and it ran really strong..

Ive heard a lot of opd timers have had good luck with the 2.0 and since there are still some early pintos with the 2.0, it would seem that tweaking the 2.0 would be a simpler choice than doing the 2.3 conversion.. but its getting difficult to find new speed parts and i was thinking that there are prolly some used stuff around if it could be found..

I was thinking maybe some folks who have done the conversion may have some good used stuff around..
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2018, 03:44:38 PM »

The 2.0 is a good little motor but you are both correct that parts are becoming hard to find at a reasonable cost.
There are a lot of go-fast goodies out there though.
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2018, 03:50:09 PM »
Well as i mentioned, the main reason i posted was to maybe connect some 2.0 owners to share info about parts and tuning..
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2018, 11:57:41 AM »
Those with 2.0 tend to stash performance parts, myself included.  Im lucky enough to live near Ivey engines and have good enough relationship to assist me.  Ivey engines is a West coast 2.0 specialist building Formula and Sports 2000 engines. 
Spec/basically stock motor will net 161 hp, i seen it.

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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2018, 11:58:51 AM »
Apparently not rare enough.  For years I've been trying to find a buyer for my 2.0. I removed it when I went to a 2.3 Turbo engine.  86k miles, air cleaner to oil pan, fan to flexplate. Compression was in the 125 to 140-ish range. The engine smoked so I assume it was the valve seals??? The only other negative is that a heater hose ruptured and the coolant cracked the exhaust manifold. But I assume anyone who would want the engine would rebuild it and use a header anyway.

I offered it for the mere sum of the core charge at Pick Your Part ($75) and never got any takers. Anyway, I have no intentions of shipping it but if anyone is willing to pick it up, it is still $75.  I'm in Southern California.
Yea, i found couple near me for around $100.  Running with carb, dizzy, exhaust, etc.

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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2018, 12:04:42 PM »
I agree.. i think the 2.0 is underestimated in the US , they are still building them in europe.. i agree that 160 hp is doable..  as mentioned brfore simple mods like adjusting cam timing, distributor curve and carbs can add a lot of hp at reasonable cost, my goal is to maybe get some 2.0 enthusiasts together, maybe start a forum specifically for 2.0 to exchange ideas..

I have had exp with 2.0 on cir le tracks and they do well.. onky problem is lack of access to hardware
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2018, 01:21:57 PM »
https://www.amazon.com/Power-4-Cylinder-Pinto-Cosworth-Engines/dp/1903706106

Very informative book for building the 2.0 Cosworth, but also the SOHC 2.0 engine. 

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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2018, 03:33:13 PM »
I think that someone bere mentioned that he once owned the Galpin Trans AM pinto.. do you know how the engine was set up, what mods, etc
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2018, 07:45:58 PM »
https://www.amazon.com/Power-4-Cylinder-Pinto-Cosworth-Engines/dp/1903706106

Very informative book for building the 2.0 Cosworth, but also the SOHC 2.0 engine. 

Nice, but $69 for a paperback? I have got David Vizard's 2.0 upgrade book and it is the Bible. Trouble is, Dave is a Brit and talks about all the parts he could get over there. Some you still can, but heavy engine parts cost a lot to be shipped from England.

Esslinger used to be the go-to place for the Ford 2 liter but no more.  The Pinto Hooker Header is long gone.
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2018, 07:47:03 PM »
I was just thinking that since the 2.0 engines are getting rare, perhaps a thread could be started with building tips for them..
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Can't remember where on this forum but there was someone who hot-rodded his 2 liter with fuel injection and had it for sale. I would like to know where he got the parts to do it.
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2018, 07:52:40 PM »
As far as fuel injection..

Megasquirt has universal kits with pump, injectors,  omputer, etc but its a lot of effort to install and calibrate..

A 350 cfm ford 2 bbl or 390 cfm holly works really well.. buy the 2.0 vibrates a lot and the booster venturies tend to work lose after about a  year..

Onereason i went with a pair of SUs.. nothing to wear out..
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2018, 12:44:23 PM »
Nice, but $69 for a paperback? I have got David Vizard's 2.0 upgrade book and it is the Bible. Trouble is, Dave is a Brit and talks about all the parts he could get over there. Some you still can, but heavy engine parts cost a lot to be shipped from England.

Esslinger used to be the go-to place for the Ford 2 liter but no more.  The Pinto Hooker Header is long gone.

LTFM made his own dual SU setup. It is somewhere on this site. Maybe he will post a link. Not everything needs to come from Jolly old England.

Side story: Back in the 1980's I bought an Offenhauser intake at a thrift store for $6.98.  My reasoning was if I ever got a Pinto..., I'd have a nice beginning for modifications.  I had it for over 20 years. Then when I bought my Pinto back in 2007 I dug it out.  I knew I was going to a 2.3 turbo but was curious because the car originally had the 2.0.  Well it turns out it wasn't a Pinto intake it was for a - VEGA.  I looked on line and saw that a few has sold for around $100. So I put mine up at a $9.99 attractive start price and figured it would get bid up. Ahhh..., No! It sold for $9.99. After Ebay fees I probably made $2.00 after holding on to it for 20+ years. Oh w-e-l-l.

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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2018, 12:54:16 PM »
I made my own manifold for SUs.. i found a set of HIFs from a 72 mgb with manifild and linkage on ebay for $150.  I made the manifold from tubing salvaged from a directv antenna mount and some 1-3/8 emt and some 1/4 steel plates.. 

I posted pics awhile back but heres another..

Btw..  the upgrade to the SUs improved both low end torque and upper rev capacity from 4200 with the stock webber to 6000 with the SUs. And personally i think the SUs are a lot easier to tune than the webber DCOE setups..
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2018, 06:10:26 PM »
I'm gonna ask a dum question...  I'm trying to buy a 2.0 head for my 73...  This company sent me a head with 4 cam bearings and I told them that mine has 3 cam bearings.... They then told me I was wrong and that is the right head and there are 2 overhead cam cyl heads for a 2.0...  I don't think that's true...  and will a 2.3 head fit on a 2.0???

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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2018, 06:24:40 PM »
2.0 head has 3 cam bearings, 2.3 has 4..

Check post by wittsend, he has a complete 2.0 for sale...
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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2018, 06:50:46 PM »

No, it will not fit. They are different engines. Your 2.0 is an EAO engine. The 2.3 sourced 2.0 head they sent you is a Lima engine head that was used in the Ranger. They are different.


Your 2.0 EAO engine was made in Germany.  This link defines the difference (scroll down to 2.0) https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/document.asp?DocID=TECH00149


BTW, got your PM regarding a head. I'll answer it here. No, I don't have just a head. I have a complete engine. While it ran, it smoked quite a bit. The compression was low and some valves had zero or less clearance. So the seats must have a fair degree of recession. In essence the engine needs a rebuild. It is NOT something I will ship. So it is pick up only. I'm in Southern California.


BTW, there seems to be a LOT of mis-information on the Internet.  While the 2.0 EAO engine is "similar" to the 2.0 Lima engine they are completely different as far as parts swapping.

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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2018, 07:30:43 PM »
Also, its always a good idea to have hardened seats installed when having a head redone. Costs a little more but worth the cost and effort.

I just had a head done here , complete valve job, new seats, valve guides, cam installed, head milled .040 for $300.

Maybe a little high but done by a good local.shop.

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Re: 2.0 engine enthusiasts..
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2018, 08:09:44 PM »
If you need a camshaft theres a great place on los angeles that will grind a custom cam from your core. He has a small.shop, has been in business since the 70s and has had a lot of experience with 4 cylinder cams.. You just tell him what you want, power band, intended use and he will grind one for you.

Usually costs under $100 including return shipping. And turn around is usually less than a couple of weeks..

The website is

https://www.americancustomcam.com

Ask for Joseph, tell him Ed Manges referred you..
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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2018, 10:38:35 PM »
Thank you all so much...  I thought so...  And yes, My head is at the machine shop to get new hardened seat when they discovered a deep crack in the head.. I will take what ever head I get to the machine shop and have them update it,, And I will look into that cam shaft...  You guys are great..

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« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2018, 10:43:34 PM »
Where are you located evo
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« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2018, 08:01:53 AM »
LongTimeFordMa n, I was the temporary owner of the Galpin Ford-sponsored Trans Am Pinto.  I talked to the owner/driver George Cheyne once before he passed away about the car.  Then a few years later, I had the opportunity to buy it from a guy who had bought it from Shankle Engineering (they built Cheyne's engines) a few years later.  I think his name was Mike Boyd (North Hollywood, CA).  Neither Mike nor I drove or raced it.  I sold it to John Ed Smith (Knoxville, TN) in the late 90's.  He campaigned it in vintage for a few years, then sold it.  One of the designers/consultants on the car build was Dave Bean (Dave Bean Engineering, San Andreas, CA), who actually flew to Sebring to co-drive the car with Ed Smith on its debute in vintage racing.

I think Ed was the one who sold the Pinto back to Galpin, and it's in their museum now. 

Sorry, but I don't have any of the engine details, except that it was on twin Weber 40mm (maybe 45) DCOEs, dry sumped, etc.  I gave Mr. Smith all the tech sheets when he bought the car.

Henrius, the question was how to modify the 2.0 for performance.  I suggested there's a good source for that info.  I remember that book went out of print for a short while, and the price skyrocketed.  Now it's available again for $69, which would be a good investment if someone were going to spend hundreds/thousands building a 2.0.  I was looking for a replacement for my book, since it was literally coming out of the binding, and I did find it online in a pdf file with a free download.  All it cost was the paper to print it on.  It's probably still out there somewhere.

These engines are not so rare that the "heavy" components aren't available here in the States, either. Most of the advice in the book was on setting timing, distributor mods, carb jetting, etc.  A full-on 2.0 will need side/down draft multiple carbs and camming to complement, along with the heavy-duty parts to make it last. $peed co$t$, so any cheap advice ($69) is a worthy investment.  Or check for the free download, and buy a ream of paper and some ink.

I followed some of the book's suggestions on the Cosworth build in that same book, and I'm sure it saved me more than $69 in my build.

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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2018, 10:44:43 AM »
Yep, there it is.  $22.  Full of info on both the SOHC and the Cosworth 2.0 engines.

Cheaper than paper and ink for the printer.

Thanks FordMan!

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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2018, 11:40:12 AM »
You can also download and read the pdf  on a phone or pad without printing it..

Then if desired print selected sections

Also Ive been doing a lot of experimentatio n with tuning, especially distributor, ign and cam timing and there are pix of the mods in my posts..

Feel free to search the posts and comment..
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