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Welcome to FordPinto.com, The home of the PCCA => General Help- Ask the Experts... => Topic started by: Rawdawg510 on July 06, 2017, 01:42:11 PM
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hello guys I am fairly new to this Forum, still looking at any threads for this swap but I still have some questions about the swap. I'm 23 and really look forward to this project.
I have a 2.3t/t5 out of a turbo coupe 87 or 88. I have everything from the air cleaner to computer (LA3). I will be going with a stinger wire harness to save a lot of time with wiring as that is not my strong point. my pinto actually has a 2.3 now which is weird as I know 71's didn't come with them.
so I my questions are.
1) for the EFI conversion will my gas tank work? I went down and looked at the tank and I think it has a return line, would I be able to hook that up to the return on the fuel rails?
2) EGR smog delete? my car does not require smog so I would like to trash all of this. I have been reading about the PIMP computer but really out of my price range for now. will this affect the car from running properly if I just delete the system.
3) as my car already has a 2.3 I don't have to worry about engine mounts but where would I put the dip stick when I convert it to the front sump oil pan. I remember reading that the 86 engines have a plugged hole in the front of the block is this the case for 87/88's?
I have the clutch pedal assembly/cable/tranny crossmember out of a 4 speed car I found at the junk yard I think it was a 71-73. I also have a mustang rear-end I will swap in later. if there is any thing I missed, any information you guys need, please let me know if this is all repetitive I am sorry I know there is a lot of threads on this swap but I have tried to look these up on my own and not bother you guys. there is just to many threads I cant read them all lol.
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1) If stock, I believe the small line going to the tank is the vent. Later Pinto's had a return line from the engine mounted fuel pump (so three lines to the tank). This thread from the FAQ section discusses several options.
http://www.fordpinto.com/pinto-faq/fastest-best-way-to-create-return-line-for-gas-tank-efi-setup/
2) If the EGR is working and not in the way, it has benefits from what I have read. If removed, the car will run okay but will generate a trouble code when tested, if that is a concern.
3) My 87TC 2.3 has the front dip stick hole drilled and plugged, suspect the 88TC would be the same. You would have to visually verify this with your block. If missing, it can be drilled.
As you mentioned, there are several threads documenting 2.3 turbo installs. Wittsend made a two part write up that is a good reference.
http://www.fordpinto.com/general-pinto-talk/so-you-want-to-build-a-turbo-pinto-part-1/msg76893/#msg76893
http://www.fordpinto.com/general-pinto-talk/so-you-want-to-build-a-turbo-pinto-part-2/msg76894/#msg76894
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I would have to check if it has 2 or 3 lines. So why cant I use the vent as a return line? that was not answered in the thread?
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I have not tried this and the below is from vague memory of what I have read. The vent line can be used as a return providing stock fuel pump flow, suspect small size of vent line would be inadequate for larger pumps. You would have to re-plumb the tank for return entry and to create a replacement vent. There may be a orifice in the vent line somewhere that would have to removed/bypassed (really vague memory of this).
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done the use the vent line as a return , done it a few times over the years , yes there is an orifice but the good news its in the fitting on top of the tank the vent line hooks to , its also a check valve in case of roll over and over filling , on the ones i have done i made a tube that ran to the back of the inside fender and made a loop to keep anything from getting in but still vent , my last turbo pinto I built I made a slight mod to the exhaust manifold , I removed it and used my bridgeport (had one at that time ) to angle mill the manifold to bring in the rear of the turbo towards the engine , to clear the airconditionin g parts , think it was around 1/2 cut on the forward face and over 3/4 on the rear , then opened up the inside to blend in the turbo inlet , look though the site at other turbos conversions for you R&D ( I call it ROB and DUPLICATE ) and pick what looks best for you , but since you said you have a car that someone before you has converted it 2.3 makes it much easier , post some photos to us to make sure , most if not all pinto people here can be blindfolded and touch your engine and tell you which one you have , yep we are that good , 8) have a good one , later Blaine
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here are some pictures.
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here is the Engine
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Yes you do have a 2.3 in the car , looks like a good clean install , the radiator is not pinto but fits well , is your car an automatic now , if it is you may want to keep it , if its a C4 , look up Joe Morgans pinto , gives you , the idea . nice pinto , the early ones are my favorite
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it is an automatic but I have the t5 with the 2.3t swap.
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Ok , what you have there is more than enough to change over , the center bracket that hold the clutch and brake pedal is the same in your car now , you have the worlds fastest change over , ten minutes or less , pull the clip on the right , slide the clutch pedal to the left , when it come out the brake pedal will fall out to , on your car you remove the spring clip the holds the brake switch and master cylinder rod to the brake pedal, then remove the clip to the right , pull the huge pin out , (clutch has pin made on it ) the old pedal will fall out , put new brake arm in place , slide clutch arm in , install clips and spring clip , the clutch cable snaps in hole on fire wall , install "U" shaped bracket on cable , hook the other end of bracket to top of clutch arm , Done , save all of the old parts in case one day you want to go back to auto transmission,
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What about the camaro t5 mount will that work for the crossmember I have? I thinks those are single center stud and I only have to oblong the hole on the crossmember.
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The trans mount on the car now should bolt up to the T5 , they made two crossover trans mounts that bolt to the car , the one is the single hole which you have in the photo, the other is a pair of holes side by side , but both will bolt in all pintos , 71 to 80' look under your car to see if you have the one ot two hole mount , if you have the two hole you can use a V6 Pinto mount , yes it will bolt to the T5 ,and your stock speedometer cable will also ,look under member gallery under pinto_one and you will see my mount , it's the stock C4 mount double holes
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Double hole tranny mount will accept a fox body polyurethane mount too.
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i just ordered the ron francis wiring harness but i am wondering if i could use the TC alternator on the pinto brackets as i dont need P/S or AC. i would like to install the V belts. has anyone used the ron francis wire harness? is using the 85 alternator possible with these brackets.
also is there a header that moves the turbo forward a bit to where i dont have to bash in the apron too much. i would like to get a slightly bigger turbo. any body has one for sale or know of a good ebay kit for the pinto? cleaning the engine up and rebuilding it i noticed that it has some play. :-\
P.S. i have installed the clutch pedal super easy lol, and rebuilt the 2.3t. so close yet so far :)
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You can use any Alternator you like. Provided you have the skills needed to install it! I used the Pinto Brackets with a Ford 6G Alternator. I kept the serpentine belt it is more efficient than a V belt! Note I used the low mount Pinto Alternator brackets.
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Alternator pulleys interchange. I swapped original one to a 3g. Remove with air hammer
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I used a Merkur air condition mount to place a 3g on the pass side out of the way.
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thanks for the info guys I looked at the alternator and they are roughly the same holes and size so I don't think it would be a problem. I like the serpentine setup as well but from what its looking like the v belts are my only option as of now there is no room between the radiator and the water pump/ crank pulley. the 71's are so tiny. >:(
another question, what is the quickest throttle cable solution? I'm not there yet but I would like to be prepared for when I am ready to swap the engine.
Any info on a turbo kit, is it easy to rebuild a turbo? there is very little play but I'm afraid of installing it and it blows. I would rather replace it now that its out.
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I believe I've seen where a 84 2300 mustang would work.
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thanks for the info guys I looked at the alternator and they are roughly the same holes and size so I don't think it would be a problem. I like the serpentine setup as well but from what its looking like the v belts are my only option as of now there is no room between the radiator and the water pump/ crank pulley. the 71's are so tiny. >:(
another question, what is the quickest throttle cable solution? I'm not there yet but I would like to be prepared for when I am ready to swap the engine.
Any info on a turbo kit, is it easy to rebuild a turbo? there is very little play but I'm afraid of installing it and it blows. I would rather replace it now that its out.
But excuse me. I did not know the serpentine belt caused clearance issues. Funny because a serpentine belt is on my 72 and I had V belts first and for the past 15 years it's had a serpentine belt with the Pinto Alternator brackets. So please tell me or show me the problem I would like to know.
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Since a 2300 in a 71/73 Pinto is an engine swap and motor mounts are necessary + welding, engine location can vary by inches. With the valve cover very near the firewall, there should be room for the serpentine belt.
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But excuse me. I did not know the serpentine belt caused clearance issues. Funny because a serpentine belt is on my 72 and I had V belts first and for the past 15 years it's had a serpentine belt with the Pinto Alternator brackets. So please tell me or show me the problem I would like to know.
some one has already installed the motor mounts prior to me so I don't have the option to move the engine around or further back. I really want to get it together and drivable so I don't have to keep pushing it around the house. the serpentine crank pulley has 2 belts so it sticks out further and i'm afraid its to close for comfort. I do like the serpentine set up, looks so much better, maybe in the near future I would get it
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I believe I've seen where a 84 2300 mustang would work.
I have gone to my local parts store and they came up with 2 cable options.
PART# CA8449 (23.19 in) and PART# CA8451 (31.5 in) do you know which one of these is the one I need? or does the length not matter?
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I do not know what the crank pulley you have came off of. I can tell you that the T- bird crank pulley is single belt serpentine and it works fine. That is what I have on my car. I know the water pump pulley is double and the V- belt pulley has roughly the same clearance. I have about 3/8" clearance between radiator and water pump pulley. there is no difference in clearance between the two types.
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the crank pulley that I have is for two belts. one was for the Crank/power steering/alternator, while the other one was for air conditioning and something else I forgot, I have to look at it when I get home.
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I used the serpentine belt directly from my '88 Turbo coupe in my '73 wagon. It is very close and may depend on how far back the engine is. The radiator is a 20" Pinto adapted to the 17" early Pinto cradle. The fan is a front mount pusher and the alternator is on a home made bracket affixed on the drivers side.
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as I mentioned before the engine mounts were placed before I owned the car. I will be using the V belts until I can find a single belt pulley for the crank. your install is super clean. I have a maverick Radiator do you think that would fit my pinto with little modifications?
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A V-8 maverick / mustang radiator is what I had in my 79 Pinto race car. Bottom hose was on the drivers side and as such I had to use tubing and two hose's to get to the pass side. Crude but it worked just fine. The maverick radiator will be too wide for your car without mods.
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I have gone to my local parts store and they came up with 2 cable options.
PART# CA8449 (23.19 in) and PART# CA8451 (31.5 in) do you know which one of these is the one I need? or does the length not matter?
does any one know wich cable im looking for?
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Both of those are too short.
My clutch cable is a stock one for a '74+ Pinto.
The maverick radiator will be too wide for your car without mods.
Just today I wrapped-up installing a similar '65-66 Mustang radiator in my '72 and yeah, didn't fit without a lot of work. If the engine was 2" further back (rubbing the firewall), it actually would have bolted in.
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I believe he was talking about a throttle cable and not the clutch cable.
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Both of those are too short.
My clutch cable is a stock one for a '74+ Pinto.
Just today I wrapped-up installing a similar '65-66 Mustang radiator in my '72 and yeah, didn't fit without a lot of work. If the engine was 2" further back (rubbing the firewall), it actually would have bolted in.
I was asking for a throttle cable I have a clutch cable already. thanks. has any one tried using a Honda radiator? they are really small and some Hondas have huge turbos and are built to runs low tens. will this cool down a 2.3??
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Fox body throttle cable works fine. As for a Honda radiator you be the test subject! Let us know how it works!