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1971 pinto front disk brake help
« on: February 17, 2015, 09:44:32 PM »
So what route would you guys go to get 5 lug disk brakes on the front of a 71 drum brake spindle car,is there a more economical way other than the Wilwood kit,I've been digging around for days and and can't really find anything
Thanks all in advance

 Tony

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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 03:22:55 PM »
Sooooooooo. Nobody has tried to get disk brakes on a drum brake spindle ? Ok than what about is there a rotor with the same size bearing that one could build a bracket to make work..

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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 08:19:43 PM »
Go Wilwood and cut 60 lbs from the car  ;D

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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 08:41:47 PM »
Ahh yes my good man but what is learnt from that,for me anyways the fun is in the build and doing the build.if crunch times comes I'll spend but I've got some time left to figure this out.

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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 10:38:55 PM »
All the brake enhancement kits I've seen are for '73 and later spindles.  I have a full set of spindles, rotors, calipers for a '71 for sale.

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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 11:15:22 PM »
All the brake enhancement kits I've seen are for '73 and later spindles.  I have a full set of spindles, rotors, calipers for a '71 for sale.

Interesting, I think I really want to go with 5 lug but thank you for the offer.

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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2015, 07:52:03 AM »
Buy Enzo's and re drill them to 5 lugs. Very easy to do on a mill.
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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2015, 06:49:28 PM »
Look at the FAQ section.  I believe turbopinto72 did a write up on 11" 5-lug front brakes for his 73 Pangra.
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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2015, 09:31:09 PM »
Buy Enzo's and re drill them to 5 lugs. Very easy to do on a mill.


Still a relatively small brake to stop something with a bit of power I would think. I could be wrong

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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2015, 09:32:14 PM »
Look at the FAQ section.  I believe turbopinto72 did a write up on 11" 5-lug front brakes for his 73 Pangra.


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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2015, 12:53:26 PM »
So today I talked with someone who has a 5 lug mustang 2 conversion in his old Rod and is planning to run something else,he can give me the upper and lower control arms,spindles brake system and the rack so basically the whole steering set up.
Will the mustang2 stuff bolt on to my 71 with no geometry problems.
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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2015, 01:56:50 PM »
Not in your wildest dreams.  Not as a complete package. The spindles are wrong as they are taller, the tie rod ends are bigger. It can be done but will cost more than the wildwood set up.
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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2015, 02:32:39 PM »
Not in your wildest dreams.  Not as a complete package. The spindles are wrong as they are taller, the tie rod ends are bigger. It can be done but will cost more than the wildwood set up.

Is there a differance in the mounting locations and heights for the upper and lower control arms,not sure what the bigger tie Rod would make if I would be running the rack that comes with his set up..

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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2015, 05:25:09 PM »
The control arm mounting locations and sizes are different.  It appears the late spindles will bolt up to the early control arm ball joints according to pintoman1. 
http://www.fordpinto.com/general-pinto-talk/drop-spindles-on-a-73-runabout/msg129080/#msg129080 
The taller spindle would increase the upper control arm angle and increase camber gain which probably is not good for a drag car.  Always wondered if a spacer block could be used between the upper control arm and chassis mounting point to raise the inner pivot point and fix this.

The 71-72 rack tie rod end is smaller than the 73-80 Pinto and Mustang II.  So to fill the gap between the small 71 tie rod end and the larger tapered hole on the late model spindle steering arm, a conical bushing is needed.
http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=21114.msg130207#msg130207
http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=21602.0

Using a late Pinto or Mustang II rack on a early Pinto was done by FordMasterTech .  This was on a 73 so the tie rod end fitted without modification.  The thread photo links do not work, so added a couple of them below.
http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=14003.msg91510#msg91510
http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=15732.msg102503#msg102503
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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2015, 06:16:32 PM »
Old Kayaker
Thankyou
I'm not concerned about tie rod as I'd be using his complete setup  so it sums up to adjusting the upper control arm mounts and possibly raising it to gain the proper geometry. This fellow is will to give me this stuff for dirt so probably is best to get it in my garage and do some measuring

Who knows maybe this will turn into another how to thread  but I'll say I'm surprised how little stuff is out there for the 71

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Re: 1971 pinto front disk brake help
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2015, 06:15:19 AM »
I always enjoy a how to R&D thread but I am not the one doing the considerable amount of work.  Just living vicariously through other people's projects.

They use to make a lot of custom brackets, brakes, etc. for the early model front suspension but have been discontinued.  In my opinion, the only reason that there is still support for the Mustang II and late Pinto suspension is that it was adopted by the street rod industry and some circle track classes.
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