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13X8 Wheels
« on: March 29, 2015, 12:26:31 PM »
Anybody on here ever run 13 X 8 or 15 X 8 wheels on all four(4) corners of their Pinto? If so, what size tires did you use? Thanks
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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2015, 06:33:38 PM »
Here is a picture of my Pinto with 225-60-15" tires. The wheels measured 8". They are from a 83-88 T-Bird (aftermarket). The back spacing is 4-1/2" to 5" depending on whether you are measuring from the estimated bead or the outside edge of the wheel.  As you can see they make the car look rather 4 wheel drive-ish as if it were a 1970's Subaru Outback.  I only used them briefly as the tires had flat spots that shook horribly at speed. I don't recall clearance issues, but for sure they were better than the 225-60-16" wheels from the Turbo Coupe (which I'll include also).  For the record I'm now running 175-70-13" but am looking towards 205-60-13".  Lastly this is with the 2.0 and the Auto. I say that knowing some are aware of the 2.3 Turbo/T-5 I now run and the added weight. There is no spring alteration.


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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2015, 06:43:18 PM »
That looks awesome!
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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2015, 07:05:11 PM »
I just wanting to get an idea of what the tire fit would look like. Would a 205/60/13 fit the rim or would it look like a ricer with 10" wide wheels and the tires stretched to fit (well sort'a fit). Hope you have better luck finding 205/60/13 tires than I did. 6 Months ago I bough the ONLY set on e-bay that was listed. Lot of them in England but not over here. 14" will be next to fall I'm sure. Just thinking of 8" wide on all 4 corners for my "boy racer". Thanks for the reply Wittsend.
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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2015, 09:49:24 PM »
I have 215-60-13" tires on Cosmic wheels on my Sunbeam Tiger.  The tires are from the 80's (car is on J-stands15 years now). I just went to measure and realized the car is buried with the wood for my daughters Tiny House (sorry).  I have a pair of the Pinto Rallye  wheels and they measure 5" wide. And I have a 205-60-13" Sumitumo HTR 200 tire that free standing measures roughly 5" wide unseated. So, if you are going to 8" wheels, yea, they might have that Ricer look.

As far as the 13" tires go..., I drive my (three) hobby cars roughly 250 miles a year each. New tires would be a waste. While I may enjoy getting to the speed limit quickly, I'm not the type to exceed it. So, "decent" tires are good enough. In the past year this is what I have gotten:

3 Sumitumo 175-70-13" HTR 200's, new, never used.  $35 for the three from Craigslist.

2 Sumitumo 205-60-13" HTR 200's, used one about 70% good the other 50% good. $11 each from Pick A Part.

3 Federal Formoza 205-60-13", used, roughly 50% good. $30 for the three at a Mopar car show.

I'll mix and match (in pairs) if needed (Oh why oh why do I always find three tires???).  I've seen a number of places that sell new 205-60-13" on the internet, but I'm not sure they actually have/can get them. My recollection was in the $40 high to low $60 range, and no shipping cost was stated (but typically is about $10- $12 a tire at that size). For sure 13" tires are getting harder to find.

I also have two (looking for two more) 14" SPP look alike wheels. The SPP's are very expensive, but I found two look a likes on a 88 T-Bird. Even the 14" tires are getting rare, but at this point more available than the 13".  When I'm paying the prices I do, and can swap/share with the Tiger, having 3-4 complete sets is a cost effective luxury.  BTW, I have a HF tire installer and a bubble balancer. At today's prices I figure I'm saving $80-$100 with every complete set I install.  At $35 the tool paid for itself the second tire I mounted up.

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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2015, 07:12:27 AM »
Thanks Wittsend. Think I'll stick with my 13 X 7 wheels and 205/60/13 new Federal tires. At 80 they may outlast me. BTW what did you mount the tire changer to? Been thinking that way too.
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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2015, 10:57:06 AM »
My setup is kind of McGyver-ed, resembling the concept of an outrigger canoe. Basically it is a 8 foot-ish long 2X12 (the body).  I cross mounted a 4 foot-ish 2X4 (the legs). On the ends I cross mounted one foot 2X4's (the feet). What I do is jack up a car ('63 Rambler American in this case) and slide the 2X12 under the wheel, then lower it.  It can be a bit tight (to the car), and flexes a little, but is doable. When I'm done I jack the car up and slide the 2X12 under the car getting about 60% of it out of the way. I throw a drywall mud bucket over the top (notice the paint fade) to keep rain off the functional parts. Someday..., Maybe..., I'll get it mounted to concrete.

  I've done 55 series, 16" tires (daughter whose front tires never met a curb they didn't like) but that is kind of the limit. It takes some grunt and I'd highly recommend a (maybe two of the) smaller tire irons. Read reviews on the HF changer, many recommend not following the install instructions, but to use the smaller irons.  That said, the reviews are rather positive less those that try to mount huge 4X4 tires.

Also attached is a picture of my tire/wheel stash (just because I had the camera out).

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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2015, 12:41:22 PM »
Wow! McGyver would be proud to say the least. I've seen one of the changers mounted to a sheet on 3/4" plywood but the plywood goes to hell if left outdoors very long. I think your set up would be the sturdiest. Why didn't you let the 2 X 12 X 8ft rest on the ground and just drive onto it? The 2 X 4 leg would prevent any rotation of the 2 X 12 and the car weight would tie it down. One wheel sitting on it would be plenty. Thanks for the idea.
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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2015, 12:49:56 PM »
If I recall correctly at the time the car was in another location and the surface required compensation (like one of the "feet" actually being a 2X6).  The other aspect is that the way I have it the "arrangement" is being forced under pressure (the spring aspect of the 2X12) into the ground rather than sitting on top.

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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2015, 04:31:00 PM »
My 73 has 15x8 centerlines and I am running 205-50-15's on all four corners.  I am not sure what the backspacing is.  I can go a side or two bigger in the back but not the front.
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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2015, 05:06:18 PM »
That's not much bigger than a 205/60/13. Is your car lowered? Mine is a low rider of sort (boy road racer). On a Pinto 3" to 3-3/4" back space will work with NO spacers and a 7" or 8" wheel. I do have the fender lip rolled front and back. Low is the way to go. FWD is for farmers.
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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2015, 07:29:14 PM »
That's not much bigger than a 205/60/13. Is your car lowered? Mine is a low rider of sort (boy road racer). On a Pinto 3" to 3-3/4" back space will work with NO spacers and a 7" or 8" wheel. I do have the fender lip rolled front and back. Low is the way to go. FWD is for farmers.
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Re: 13X8 Wheels
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2015, 08:55:32 PM »
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