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The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« on: November 28, 2008, 09:41:14 PM »
It's about time I got here!

           AS some of you folks might know, I have a '74 copper-bronze runasbout who has issues. With issues sometimes comes mysteries.

 Mystery #1-  The fuel gauge doesn't function. It stays on empty regardless of how much fuel is actually in the tank.

Mystery #2- This I'll have to get pix of (you can tell I get ideas after it gets too dark outside to get pictures). This has to do with things not connected (hoses) .

Mystery #3- how can I keep that right side pop-out window from flapping around and still keep it functional until I get the grommets (?) that the hinges fit in (see pop-out window in parts wanted)?

There are more mysteries and queries and I would be very happy to hear anything you great folks might have to say. Thank you all for being so kind and welcoming.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2008, 10:12:05 PM »
Well, I can shed some light on the fuel gauge issue... The float is more than likely bad. Over time it gets a hole in it & fills up with gas. then it won't float. Ford used to sell them, not too sure if they still do. It was about six bux when I got one a couple years ago.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2008, 10:18:55 PM »
If the float is bad, you can pick one up at www.sscenterpr ises.com. The hard part is changing it out.

I would also suggest that either the copper terminal strip on the back of the instrument cluster is making poor contact, either by oxidation, or by the cluster itself being damaged/cracking, causing a connection error. This is a common problem in these older vehicles, and neither possibility is really "easy" to address.

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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2008, 10:50:20 PM »
Glad to see you get your baby in the 'project' area!!!!

I would agree with r4pinto on the float. As far as the pop out window. If you are talking about where the hinge meets the frame, I would try taking off the plastic cover (if it has one) on the pillar, then duck tape the hinge to the metal of the car. Just leave the plastic cover off till you can get the parts to fix the hinge area!!  Course this is just guessing on what is actually missing. My hinges on my 71's are pop rivited on! Easy to fix!!!

Good luck and keep up updated!!!

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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2008, 11:24:51 PM »
Ohhhh....

                What is involved with replacing the float? Is it a matter of taking the gas tank off? As for the instrument cluster possibility, hopefully that won't be too hard to fix. I reconnected an odometer cable on a '75 Maverick in '95. (moot- the dumb car never ran after it had its first oil change and radiator flush since dinosaurs roamed the earth!) Thank you for the info.

        The missing link, as it were, is where the hinges go into the car body. On the left side it appears there is plastic or something in that slot but none in the right side hinge slot. The hinge just jostles around, even with the window shut. Tomorrow I'll take pictures of the other side that has those plastic thingies.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2008, 11:31:07 PM »
Oh, well that window is a bit different then mine! Mine are attatched on the inside of the car, not the outside! Duck tape wont do it with yours! Hmmm, I am clueless on how to do a fix, except for maybe trying some sort of puddy, to fill the hole where the hinge clips to, and just push the window into it. You wouldn't want to use the window though, as the puddy wouldn't hold up! I'm just grabbing at straws though!!!!  :)
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2008, 11:48:27 PM »
Ohhhh....

                What is involved with replacing the float? Is it a matter of taking the gas tank off?

To be honest all you need to do is remove the sending unit from the gas tank & the float is on the sending unit. It looks like a small barrel. Once you get that off you can replace the float & call it a day. If you can't find one at a ford dealer check ebay, as they used to be all over.. Not sure of now since it has been a couple years since I replaced mine.

The plastic clips for the window are hard to find from what I hear, but I tell you what... I am going to the Super swap that Harley aka Pintoman was talking about & I'll take a look to see if I can find them for you. If I do I will get them. All I ask is the cost of the part plus shipping, provided I can find it that is lol
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2008, 09:14:09 PM »
(sigh.) My hero! Thank you r4pinto! I appreciate the offer. Please do.
There is someone not too far from me that has a couple early Pintos they're parting out. One's a station wagon, so there may be those same clips. I probably won't go til next weekend.

My late '72 had the three-button pop-out windows like your yellow one, Kim. I don't think I remember ever seeing a one-button window on a sedan, though. When the baby's seller sent me the pic via email I wasn't quite sure that was a button or not. When I got to see the car in person there was no end to the sweet discoveries. How could I say no? LOL.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2008, 09:22:14 PM »
Not a problem.. I dunno if I'll be able to find the clips tomorrow but I will definitely look. It'll be on my list of parts lol. I tell ya, I wish my 77 had the pop out windows so it would help cool the inside of the car. But I'll live without them lol.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2008, 11:16:55 PM »
ArrrrGGGGH!!!!! I HATE when I run out of time!!!!

I lost my well-thought-out message because of this. Any way the time might be lengthened?

 Ok, enough with my rant. R4, your baby would look sweet with pop-outs- especially if she's sporting those mag rims. Mine will almost be her older clone!lol. Did the later models have pop-outs (besides the wagons)? As soon as the baby runs like a champ she'll be sporting that same set of wheels.

              Ahh, mysteries... #1- Do my eyes deceive me or is that cracked, peeling stuff on my steering wheel leather? Did Ford often sew leather on the more "exclusive" pintos? #2- The center piece of the steering wheel is a mess. Is there any way I can replace that (horn, "woodgrain" trim) or do I have to do a steeringwheeli dectomy?
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2008, 11:24:03 PM »
Thanks for the compliments, but no, she's no longer got those mags on her (and I got in trouble a few weeks ago for it by my dad). When i bought the car in '06 I wanted wheel covers on her instead of the alloys so I took the good tires & steel wheels off my parts car & sent it to the junk yard with the mags. The tires were badly rotted anyways. She's not even the brown anymore... They did have pop outs on the later models as well, but most I seen have the regulars on them.

As for the wheel, yes, I do believe that might just be a leather wrapped wheel. You might be able to find a new horn pad on ebay, as I think I have seen them on there from time to time. You may be able to fix it with some epoxy or jb weld but I'm not too sure.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2008, 11:27:08 PM »
Sorry that last one was short... I don't feel like rewriting it THREE times because of the time shortage... for all I know it's this dumb computer or the fact that I'm still on dial-up. Ugh.

             I will soon get to the sending unit you mentioned, r4. Hopefully I won't be crawling back to ask, "where's the sending unit?"

          Something disturbing was seen on my way to the Pinto... I had a lot of condensation on the inside of her windows, mostly on the hatch window, which leads me to believe that I have a good-size leak there. I know about the windshield leaks but wow... the windows were all squeegied and wiped (yes the metal too- that's what worries me the most.)


              
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2008, 11:36:57 PM »
Don't get too concerned. Mine is like that as well.. It's prolly just a simple case of bad door seals. My rear window does not leak one bit but when the temp changes more at night I have noticed condensation. I'm guessing it's from the bad door seals since all the other windows don't leak but my doors are drafty.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2008, 11:52:29 PM »
I think I owe you an apology... I called Harold ll a SHE...Sorry. That's what I get for paying attention...NO T! lol. 

         Yes, we had temp changes- rain a couple days ago, then sunny and bright (a little nippy for me but not for her, I guess). Do you get rust on the insides of your hatch?  Please say no.

          Well, Harold ll at least USED to look like his (her?) older sister... I've always loved the 13'' Ford mag wheels- especially if they have the bucking foal/running horse in the center caps.

     
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2008, 11:55:44 PM »
Another little project... the armrests.


                 
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2008, 08:20:47 AM »
I think I owe you an apology... I called Harold ll a SHE...Sorry. That's what I get for paying attention...NO T! lol. 

         Yes, we had temp changes- rain a couple days ago, then sunny and bright (a little nippy for me but not for her, I guess). Do you get rust on the insides of your hatch?  Please say no.

          Well, Harold ll at least USED to look like his (her?) older sister... I've always loved the 13'' Ford mag wheels- especially if they have the bucking foal/running horse in the center caps.

     

Well, my car actually is a She, and let me tell ya sometimes she acts just like a woman lol J/K..The car just likes being a major pain. Rust on the insides of the hatch... Well, to be honest she has rust in some shape or form just about everywhere.. Stupid salt on roads lol.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2008, 11:05:32 AM »
Well Matt, I think it's time you and Harold ll moved to sunny southern California! No salt on the roads here- it's all in the ocean! lol. Actually I love the different states in this great land. Each has it's own charm and uniqueness. But I will say that if a rare "snow event" happened here in San Diego county you better believe I'll be staying home!!! lol.  Some (no, many) people here can't seem to safely navigate the roads here in broad daylight in dry conditions, much less rainy or- heaven forbid!- ice and snow.

           I hope you're having fun at the All-Ford Swap thing. I hope you and our Pinto friends fortunate enough to go get everything you all want. I'm going (I think) next week to the southern part of SD county to the wrecking yards there to see what I can find. 
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2008, 01:42:35 PM »
Lol.. me moving to california.. Now that would be a trip & a half. In her current shape Harrold II won't even make it up the driveway, let alone across the country. Her transmission is sitting next to her. I also like not having any of my cars smogged either lol. Although, it ain't Ohio either lol.. Sold!! Gotta go pack my bags lol..

On another note, I struck out today :( I looked but found very, very little Pinto parts, let alone the clips for the windows. I'll keep my eyes & ears open & if I happen to find some I'll let you know.

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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2008, 07:04:43 PM »
Hay looking at the stearing wheel    there are 2 screws  in the  back  that hold the button on and it all just slips together from there     . I looks  like the one in my maverick   and bobcat( but it is  blue) so  you may have many  different fords to choose from  for  replacement if nessary. The door arm rest is  similar to my maverick (4 door front) as well an i have herd the mustang II is simliar. so once again you may have many  options.  Do they happennto have any maverick in the yard you frequent?
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2008, 10:12:22 PM »
I haven't seen a defunct Maverick in years...

   I bought a '75 Maverick in '95. It was a four-door, white with metallic blue interior (which I love). She ran for me about four times. Dad and Uncle Bill flushed the radiator (rustwater) and changed the oil and filter (probably not done since the Carter administration) and changed the sparkplugs. Tjis was all too much for the little car and she sputtered briefly, then promptly expired, never to start again.

        PT, I will look for Maverick parts when I go to the wrecking yards south of me. What do you need?

            As for the steering wheel, I was entertaining the notion that I could take the long piece off and replace it with a horn button. Well, the steering wheel itself is cracked too. Still, I would love to at least get a new horn piece.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2008, 10:23:29 PM »
Mystery time!

       Mystery #1- Do these two pieces connect? They're so close together, but I'm too afraid to connect them and see.


Mystery #2- Should I worry about this broken hose from the intake (?) manifold to the air filter ?

Mystery #3- I have a mateless plug. I cannot locate its other half.


I replaced the fuel filter today and tried to play a little with the carburetor. It's kinda hard to see the adjustment screws when the engine is shaking like it's all but dying. Then I ran out of daylight.

         I think I found out that jingling noise from the right rear. Indeed it's not the floppy window- it's an even floppier shock. I haven't identified the sending unit for the gas tank yet.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2008, 10:35:02 PM »
Are you talking about the orange hose that goes from the manifold to the air ducting? If so, I wouldn't worry about it to much, but it is always nice to have everything together! I think it has something to do with air temperature for the carburetor.

I'm guessing that the electrical connector you have disconnected is used for an electric choke or another type of electrical carburetor accessory. I have two or three connections from my harness around that same location, near the carburetor, that don't go to anything.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2008, 11:34:59 PM »
Thank you Dave. I'm not sure that's the original carburetor or not, and so far I don't see anyplace where that plug should go. I haven't had an old (20+ year old) car in 15-16 years. Wait I did have the Maverick. I don't really count that because I wasn't able to get her registered (she's gotta run to be smogged, right!?) and thus she wasn't enjoyed to her full potential. In fact I resented her long after I sold her to someone who thought they could get her running. Even they threw in the towel. I had a miserable low-paying job so I couldn't afford a proper mechanic to look at her. She was nice otherwise...

       Wait.....Did i hijack my own thread!?!


   It would be nice if that intake piece was intact, but I'm glad that's not the reason it runs so roughly.  As long as it won't be detrimental to the ol' engine. Thank you for easing my mind. That (that hose) will be on the Santa list too. 
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2008, 01:12:23 AM »
The orange hose can be  picked up at most parts stores  I believe it is called a pre heater  duct   replacements are silver and  cost about $5  maybe less  it was 3 yrs ago i bought mine.  The plug is a mystery as mine has the same thing and  i have not figured it out yet. The  2 pieces  if i see them correctly (the hoses)  yes they do connect it is part of the heating  cooling   they  go from the heater core to the manifold to help warm up the  carb a car with   factory ac  has a "H" pipe there.
The steering wheel  according to my  parts book  is a very common one used on many  fords,mercurys  in the 70's  the difference is the horn pad  and yes it  very well could be leather on your wheel  that was a factory  option  in a few years.
Maverick parts  i would like   emblem( for a cork board in my garage i have a pinto, bobcat , mustang, ford and mercury emblems on it now) and an original gas cap  with a maverick  symbol or script. mine was changed to a mustang cap. i will need more  but start small  if by chance you find a tan interior   i need alot more.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2008, 10:15:50 PM »
As a matter of fact I do have a Maverick emblem or two.  I might even be able to wrestle up an interior steerhead door emblem too if you wanted one. Back in the early '90s  when our beloved cars were plentiful in the wrecking yards I was grabbing emblems left and right.

          Thank you for the pre-heater duct info as well as the info on the plug and steering wheel. I guess I'll connect the two things and we'll see what happens (hides her eyes). :lost:
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2008, 12:43:30 PM »
Well, she did it... she crapped out on me.

I noticed she was a little "off" when she was about to go into 2nd gear. Acceleration in 1st was the same, but in 2nd she lost power like she wasn't getting gas and would stall on the roll. She couldn't make the mile to the beanery. AAA to the rescue! The driver was knowledgeable about Pintos (he had a '76- his favorite car) and currently has a '73 he just acquired) and told me it's the carburetor and its components, plus timing. He gave me pointers on how to do some minor adjustments, but it needs more than that. WE did go to get gas, but she only accepted 2 gallons, so I don't think it's an empty-tank issue.

          While waiting for help to arrive a kind older Hispanic gentleman told me of his three Pintos and how good they were.


         On a better note, I did go junkyard shopping and found a "woodgrain" shift bezel, a steering wheel horn piece just like mine (except it's missing the "woodgrain" trim sticker), the piece that connects the crimpy hose from the air cleaner to the air filter, another rearview mirror with less blemished glass, and a couple pop-out window gromets (?) from a '73 station wagon (a beauty! If money was no object...) So while the Baby doesn't run right, at least she has some "new" stuff!
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2008, 01:03:43 PM »
Wow!

Sounds like you had a great day at the junkyard. Nice finds. Sorry to hear of your problems with your car, but atleast she is easy to work on. Who knows it might actually need a new timing belt on her. Good thing it's easy to replace.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2008, 01:13:02 PM »
another tip would be to make sure there is no gunk in your tank, if its in the lines it can make it seem like the carb has trouble. (learned this with my old dodge ramcharger.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2008, 01:38:01 PM »
Awesome tip there. Why clean out the carb if the junk in the tank will just get back in there.
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Re: The Baby (aka the copper queen)
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2008, 05:00:29 PM »
Glad to help
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