Author Topic: Project Shur'tug'al [AKA 75 Pinto street toy] (Read 31362 times)

phils toys · « **Reply #210 on:** July 20, 2009, 02:38:42 PM »

jim bumbers ar off front weight 15 pounds rear 11 pounds should be a big differance i will try to clean them up some and git a pic for you
phil

hellfirejim · « **Reply #211 on:** July 20, 2009, 07:39:03 PM »

Quote from: discolives78 on July 20, 2009, 12:50:05 PM

Hey Jim!

Sorry to hear about your car trouble! It's good to know that you're making effort to correct it, though.

Glad to hear you had fun at the show. It would have been nice if you could have taken the Pinto, but at least you had problems at home, and not half-way there.

I'm sending you prayers of health, energy, and motivation.

I hope you don't mind my plagiarizing your signature, but you've really been a big inspiration to me over the last few months.

Best wishes!
Chuck :afro:

Mind, I am honored. Feel free. it is tuff to do this with no money and limited physical resources and no garage and by yourself but if you want it bad enough and you are hard headed enough you can get it done.

BTW: I looks like I am going to be an owner of a 77 Rallye Pinto with the special instrument package and the dash instrument package. Floors are ruff and parts of the bottom are rusted through but it will be good for parts. it also has the ralley wheels too. so if you hear of anybody looking for parts like this let me know. When i actually get it i am going to look real close at all that is available. it even has the big class hatch in good shape. Oh and the stearing column and steering wheel are already claimed for ME. LOL

If I have helped in any small way then the effort to keep this thread updated is worht it to me as that was the sole purpose for doing it.

jim

hellfirejim · « **Reply #212 on:** July 20, 2009, 07:43:41 PM »

Quote from: phils toys on July 20, 2009, 02:38:42 PM

jim bumbers ar off front weight 15 pounds rear 11 pounds should be a big differance i will try to clean them up some and git a pic for you
phil

Phil,
You don't have to go to that much effort. I plan to make them look like brushed aluminum instaed of chrome shiny. I think the look will be cool and not the standard chrome deal. At that weight my current bumper brackets weigh more than that, not to mention the impact bar and the shock mounts. All of the afore mentioned pieces will be gone and replaced by light weight brackets that will pull the bumpers in closer to the car. i think it will change the whole appearance of the car and drop about 100 lbs off the car.

thank you sir I appreciate your efforts.
jim

phils toys · « **Reply #213 on:** July 22, 2009, 11:08:22 AM »

http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z206/Philstoys/parts/
here is the pictures of the bumpers
i was not going to make them perfect just tried to get some of the years of dirt off :lol:
the rear is rough let me know and we go from there. phil

hellfirejim · « **Reply #214 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:22:17 PM »

yeah they are ruff and probably not of use to most but remember I am going to scuff down the finsh to look lke a brushed aluminum finsh so that should take care of most of the surface problems. as for the corrsion. i have this mexican guy who is a fantastic welder and really likes the pinto and has done all my welding work. they look good enough to give them a try.
Jim

hellfirejim · « **Reply #215 on:** July 24, 2009, 06:40:02 AM »

This car is going to make me crazy. My buddy was going to take care of the carb problem for me and he told me when he got into it, it ran perfectly. After the carb bowl came off there was no dirt or anything. So did some research and found the using a carb like i have where 80 -90% of the time i am on the front two barrels, the back too barrels needle and seat will sometimes stick or not seat right and leak. So the obvious answer is i have to use the back two barrels more.... :lol:

Hopefully will do my first cruise on Sat night. And don't forget my first car show on Sunday....

discolives78 · « **Reply #216 on:** July 25, 2009, 02:16:28 PM »

PUNCH IT!!! :fastcar: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Keep your eyes peeled for the 'fuzz' you know... :police:

Chuck :afro:

hellfirejim · « **Reply #217 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:09:55 PM »

Went on a cruise today. what a great deal of fun. :lol: i wil post more tomorrow after the car show. i will try and get some pictures.....

hellfirejim · « **Reply #218 on:** July 26, 2009, 07:45:03 PM »

I posted about the cruise and car show in the General pinto talk area. Here is the photo link in case you missed it. http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/sycamore%2007-25-09/?start=0

On the cruise the car performed great. I have not enjoyed it more at any time. Oh i am so sunburnt..... :lol:

next weekend i go back to work on the car as this is a never ending job. I often wonder what will come first retirement or finishing the car?

jim

dga57 · « **Reply #219 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:05:00 PM »

Jim,
Looks like a really nice show - glad you had a good time!
Dwayne :smile:

hellfirejim · « **Reply #220 on:** July 27, 2009, 06:34:20 AM »

yeah it was great. You know that this is probably the biggest outdoor car show i know of short of a national meet as we had between 800-1000 cars all parked in this town. They literally shut the whole town down.

So I start again making it better. Right now my next step is to dis-assymble the blown motor for good pieces and get it out of my buddy's shop and add to muy collection of motor parts. Got enough parts to put another turbo motor together..... :rolleye:

I guess the gas gauge is next....... :read:

hellfirejim · « **Reply #221 on:** July 29, 2009, 07:50:18 PM »

Actually it will be more like gas gauge, wiring of the lights for the gauges and installation of the a/f meter. Also have to get the holes left from the trim removal welded shut before the winter. My granddaughter is coming out this weekend and she loves the car so i will spend some time with her and then oin to the electrical work.

hellfirejim · « **Reply #222 on:** August 02, 2009, 10:49:49 AM »

This post will be a little different. During the course of any long term project there are times when you just have to sit back and see if you are drifting off course. This is one of those times. My original goal with the car was to have a fun cruiser for around town. That has not changed but i have drifted from that. The most obvious example is the motor. I originally wanted a turbo and then at least supercharged but since i have been driving it around i realize i don't need all that power to have fun. The result of this is a re-alignment of objectives.

My goal for the last of 2009 and 2010 is to complete the mechanical portion of the projest. To accomplish this I will be doing the following:
1. The cylinder head will be sent out to be mildly ported and polished, better than stock cam and have the head shaved a bit to raise compression.
2. Since I have a 4 barrel manifold that is proving to work just great i will be swtiching over to a throttle body fuel injection setup.
3. There is supposed to be a new bell housing coming out this fall that will mate a 2.3 to a v8 C4 trans. I will purchase one of those and a C4 trans.
4. I will have the new rear center section [4:10-posi] installed.
5. the front end will be dropped about 2 inches.
6. The rear tires will be replaced with taller and wider tires
7. Rear wheel opening will need to be slightly modified to accomplish the new tires.

So what does this really do for me and advancing the project? Going down the line it looks like this.
1. This will give me about 150or so real horsepower. More than enough at 2500lbs. Compared at a power to weight ratio it will fall between a new Mustang gt at 300hp and the V6 at 200hp.
2. The objective of the car is to be a trouble free cruiser and TBI will give this to me at a cost of 1/3 the regular EFI and cost is very important.
3. This will give me a chance to make my driveline bullet proof. i can save money because i don't require a "built" C4 since a stock V8 C4 trans can easily hold the power i am making.
4. The new gearing with posi will add to the effect of more horsepower around town where i will be driving 90%+ of my time. Most likely a 1 hour time frame will take me to most places I want to go to.
5. this will be doine with dropped spindles. It will be to achieve the look i am going for, ealy Pro Stock Pinto.
6. The tires now are about 26 inches tall and i will be going to a 28/29 inch tall tire. That will fill up the wheel well better, give better traction and ease the gear a little. It will raise the rear of the car an inch.
7. Due to the increase down in front angle and the larger tires the front of the wheel well will have to be moved back to provide more clearence.

So there you have it. Sorry for the long post but i wanted to explain the shift in direction and why.

jim

popbumper · « **Reply #223 on:** August 02, 2009, 09:40:49 PM »

Always enjoy your reports, Jim. My efforts have been on furlough with the heat of summer, I will be deep in it once the weather cools off.

It is also important to mention that I have a friend with a shop that is allowing me the use of it this fall. This will change my capabilities, progress and challenges a great degree. I anticipate a far deeper and thorough restoration since I will be able to have the car in secure shelter. More later.

Chris

hellfirejim · « **Reply #224 on:** August 03, 2009, 05:53:29 AM »

Chris,
You are a lucky man. Havng a place inside makes all the difference. When winter comes for me the car goes up on jack stands and a car cover. Frustrating to lose that building time but such is life.

jim

hellfirejim · « **Reply #225 on:** August 05, 2009, 06:39:11 AM »

I have a little more info on the throttle body fuel injection. The company I have been talking with has done about 200 of these 2.3 conversions. They are best known for their 300 Ford six conversions and have done about 2000 of them. The kit is complete with every thing except a return line and high pressure hoses.

This is not a tease because that is all I am going to say at the moment as it will be spring when i go buy one and put it on my car. At that time I will talk about the ease of installation and how it performs. It is not cheap but about a 1/3 of a regular after market EFI port injection but I feel this is the way to go. And for those interested in boost it can be converted to blow through but in does increase the cost by about another 1/3.

hellfirejim · « **Reply #226 on:** August 09, 2009, 05:52:00 PM »

Life has Balance....... yeah it is going to be one of those posts..... :lol:

This saturday i buried a friend of 9 years who i worked with and for the last 4 years we were each others support system in our battles with cancer. He got tired of the fight and his lack of quality of life and layed down is sword. He was a very good friend.

But as i said before, Life has balance. Saturday afternoon my daughter and son-in-law brought my 15 year old grandaughter to visit. They had to run an errand so i took my gandaughter out for a ride in the Pinto at her request.While we were out we talked and she told me how cool old cars are and in particular my Pinto. I made a stop on a dirt road and got out and told her to do the same. I then told her to get in the drivers seat. When we both got back in she said she had never driven a car and I told her i knew that. I had her leave it in drive and just idle down the raod to get used to the feel of the car, steering and brakes. After she got comfortable I told to give it a little gas to where she was comfortable. (20mph) Long story short she is SOOOOOOO hooked now on the car. I am going to leave it to her when my time is up because she would drive it and appreciate it. it make me feel good to know it will be going into good hands.

The second part is what my kids brought me. Bryon found it at a flea market he was working. Pictures below.

Life is good!!!!!!

75bobcatv6 · « **Reply #227 on:** August 09, 2009, 07:39:00 PM »

ypur lucky to have a grand-daughter that appreciates the car, and im very sorry for the loss of a good friend of yours.

hellfirejim · « **Reply #228 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:55:09 AM »

Thanks. Knowing that the car is going to end up with someone who truly cares and will take care of it motivates me even more.

jim

phils toys · « **Reply #229 on:** August 10, 2009, 12:11:45 PM »

very good story hope fully every time she drives it she will rember the "first drive"

hellfirejim · « **Reply #230 on:** August 10, 2009, 04:16:47 PM »

And her grand father too........... ......

hellfirejim · « **Reply #231 on:** August 12, 2009, 06:33:49 AM »

Good news, my gas gauge came today. I wil be putting it in the empty hole in my A Pillar 3 pod from MAP. I also got some of those red caps that go over the lights for the instruments. Since the 3 pod sits at eye level I am thinking that the red light will have less effect on night vision than the white lights. While I am at it I will also cover the lights in the dash. Might look cool, who knows. Additionally I have to wire in the actual power to the instrument lights. Looks like this is going to be an electrical weekend.

For those wondering, the plastic behind the instrument cluster is typically coming apart and since I have an Tach on my steering column it covers up the gas gauge anyway. Putting it in the 3 pod makes the most practical sense.

hellfirejim · « **Reply #232 on:** August 14, 2009, 07:19:22 PM »

Just a quick note. I tried my lights the morning at about 5 am and some of my gauges havw lights that work so i have a swtichable source of power for the instrument lights. Also going to install the gas gauge. yes i will take some pictures.
At work we have a fair amount of car guys and we are planning a get together on sept 12th at a local car show. Should be cool.

hellfirejim · « **Reply #233 on:** August 16, 2009, 04:10:40 PM »

My momma told me there would be days like this..... :amazed:

i started by ulling the center gauge panel and put in the red ite cover. not much of an issue so on to the A pillar 3 pod. When i put it in the first time I just stuck it in so this time I took it apart and sanded and painted it. this will hold until i blow the car apart for final prep and paint. i added to the two gauges with the red light covers and installed my fuel level gauge. I got it installed, turned on the power and the gauges does NOT work!!! :rolleye:

I go back and check all the inputs through the wires and all is right. Now here is the part that bothers me. The ford gauge is 0 ohms fuel and 90 ohms empty. I measured the ohms and it was about 70 ohms. That fact plus the fact i know there is more than 1/2 a tank of gas in the car, more like about 3/4. So I have to go to auto meter and sort out it I have a good gauge and/or I bought the wrong one....Right now it looks like maybe wednsday after work will be my only chance to stop over at autometer. If not then it will be the last of next week. Frustrating but it is all part of messing with these cars.

Pinturbo75 · « **Reply #234 on:** August 16, 2009, 08:11:44 PM »

jim, the ford gauge is a 0 to 70 the 90 ohm is a gm.

popbumper · « **Reply #235 on:** August 16, 2009, 09:34:25 PM »

Correct. I got about 5 ohms to 72 ohms on mine.

Chris

hellfirejim · « **Reply #236 on:** August 17, 2009, 06:08:05 AM »

is that zero empty or full? right now I am readying 70 ohms and it is 3/4 full. but even so chouldn't it have at least read something?

? peg stayed below empty and didn't move. If I have the wrong one so be it, I will get the right one.

hellfirejim · « **Reply #237 on:** August 29, 2009, 05:07:21 PM »

Did I mention I am still working on the gas gauge?

? :mad: I know the tank is full and the ohms read 70. Tomorrow I am goin to ground the tank and see if that is it. If not then obviously i need a new sender. if so it will wait for the spring when i drop the tank to put in all new grommets and such. also to put in the retune line. In the mean time I will just have to watch it close and keep at least a half a tank in it.

hellfirejim · « **Reply #238 on:** August 31, 2009, 08:10:13 PM »

Number of Misc items today.

First is the gas gauge. It is installed in my three pod and looks good but doesn't work, sorta. I grounded the gas tank and the needle came off pegged up to empty. i know that is not right as i filled the tank so obviously the sender is bad and most likely the float is full and on the bottom. Not going to do anything now, will wait for spring when we pull the tank for all new gaskets, a fuel return line and a new sender.

Next is the front bumper area. Since the front bumper is off and never to return, the front beam was just sitting out there all rusty and looking like hell. so i wire brushed it, coated with rust converter and painted it flat black to improve the looks. You decide.

last item is a tool i needed but couldn't find. I have a lot of chrome trim holes to weld shut. the easiest way to do this is with a mig and a copper plate behind the hole to fill it in. The weld does not stick to the copper and supports the weld while it is filling in the hole. Pretty cool. anyway i just decided to build it. I got a copper cap [hasto be substantial] and a hammer handle for $9. I cut out a slice of the cap, stuck it in the handle ,and drilled a hole for a bolt and there it is.

Rest of the pictures
http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/tools/

So that was my weekend....... .

hellfirejim · « **Reply #239 on:** September 06, 2009, 02:23:30 PM »

Not a whole lot to talk about at the moment as today sunday, it is raining but tomorrow i plan to go out and find out why the speedo does not have dash lights and if possible change it to red to match the the other gauges. i am going to try and get a picture of what they look like. I also plan to do the tach the same way. I know it is not much but at least it is something as we get closer to the end of the season and i have to put her up for the winter.

The good news is that i drove her for about an hour Saturday, life is good. Can't believe the lift it gives you when driving the car and I really needed it.

jim

PS: working on something i can't talk about but if it does work it will mean more new pieces before winter. I will let you know.

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