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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #390 on: July 14, 2017, 07:31:51 AM »
So I popped the lid on the master cylinder this morning and the fluid is low. The car has been sitting on jack stands and no sign of leaking at any wheels. I bled the brakes a couple months ago so I will be getting a master cylinder for the car. That's getting done this weekend. Only old hydraulic part is the right front caliper and that was a spare from my 77. Also the metal lines as well. No sign of leaking though. Convinced it's the master cylinder. In stock at AutoZone for $19 so I will get it today.


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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #391 on: July 14, 2017, 11:26:43 AM »
Convinced it's the master cylinder. In stock at AutoZone for $19 so I will get it today.


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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #392 on: July 21, 2017, 06:48:15 AM »
So last week I didn't get the master cylinder due to costs but getting it this weekend. I have my hotel booked for the Ohio Pinto/Maverick meet so it's on. List of the following will get done, starting this weekend:

Brake master cylinder, install new speaker in passenger door, put speaker grills back on doors, paint carpet, install new hatch seal, install u-joints, speedometer cable, and transmission fluid, find short that keeps blowing fuses, re-install dash cluster, install wiper motor & switch.

Not too much to do, but enough. Got a month to do it & I am on vacation the week of the car show, so I should be OK. This will be the car's first car show of the year & want her to do well.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #393 on: July 22, 2017, 08:42:28 AM »


Not too much to do, but enough. Got a month to do it & I am on vacation the week of the car show, so I should be OK. This will be the car's first car show of the year & want her to do well.

I think you should be fine, time-wise... and I'm sure she'll do well!

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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #394 on: July 22, 2017, 08:52:02 AM »
As long as my mechanical brain doesn't think... "While I am at it let's do this as well  ;D " Master cylinder has been ordered on the car. The rest of the brakes are good and pedal is solid but so was the pedal on a 1994 Ford Taurus which had bottles of brake fluid in the back for the same reason. My dad did not like that car but it got him to work.. Until the body rusted out, transmission started to fail for the second time, engine leaked oil all over the place, electrical gremlins took over, and lost coolant from time to time.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #395 on: July 22, 2017, 08:57:43 AM »
In another subject I called O'reilly auto parts and they don't have it but can have the master cylinder by 11am eastern. Brake fluid is brake fluid so I might go to Dollar Tree to get a couple bottles of Dot3 for a buck each. Still odd the car has a Honda Civic battery in it but as long as it is still good I will be a happy camper lol.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #396 on: July 22, 2017, 12:00:04 PM »
Got the master cylinder. It's been leaking for a while apparently. Crystallized brake fluid and rust at the end. Going to pick up the new one then bench bleed it to make sure I have a good pedal


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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #397 on: July 22, 2017, 03:04:43 PM »
I picked up the master cylinder as well as brake fluid and when I got home realized I didn't have a brake bleeding kit, so I got a couple spare lines that I bent I formed to put them in the fluid. Bolted the master cylinder to the car & hooked up the lines to bleed the master cylinder. It was just me so I got smart and used the video option on the cell phone. Pumped the brake pedal until I had no more air and reconnected the brake lines. Didn't bleed the lines on the car but it felt good. I will re-bleed the car later... As in after debris isn't around the car. 


I was motivated so I went ahead and installed the wiper motor I bought. Now I have wipers. Next will be installing the speedometer cable I got from the 77, which wasn't that old. Once I do that I can install the instrument cluster and diagnose the issue that keeps blowing fuses when the key is turned to the "on" position. My money is on it being a short in either the parking brake switch, or the seat belt buckle. Process of elimination involves both being unplugged, then plugging them in, while seeing which blows the fuse.


I replaced the parking brake lever, and seat belt buckle so it could be either.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #398 on: July 23, 2017, 02:11:15 PM »
I just LOVE progress!!!  Keep it up, Matt!


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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #399 on: July 23, 2017, 03:16:12 PM »
Electric issue gone. Appears to be a short in the seat belt buckle. Unplugged it and no more blown fuses. It will stay unplugged.

I also replaced the speedometer cable and decided to change rear end fluid. I've never changed it but it seems to be pretty good.

I also installed a new driver door switch so now the light comes on.  Lastly I've found out the poor assembly Ford did in 1980. The parking brake lever cover has four screws. Two never went through the floor. Inexcusable and pathetic. No wonder the carpet wasn't staying under it. Makes me wonder what else they didn't do right




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« Reply #400 on: July 23, 2017, 03:23:02 PM »
Sadly, build quality for American cars was at rock bottom during most of the 1970's and '80's. 


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« Reply #401 on: July 23, 2017, 06:38:32 PM »
Perhaps Dwayne, you're right which is a shame. I couldn't believe it. I thought I was missing the holes so I crawled under the car and saw only two holes. Grabbed my drill and let the self tapping scfews do the work. I also went ahead and used some engine blue paint and it's helped the carpet look better. It's brighter than I'd like but brighter is better than faded. I might go ahead and remove the seats so I can paint the rest of the carpet. It isn't the best match but will be much nicer than faded.


Speedometer cable fully installed, dash cluster reinstalled, and U-joints replaced on the driveshaft. Had an Oops moment and smashed my thumb which caused a mess but it's much tighter than it was before. I am going to pick up a new tailshaft seal for the transmission to make sure it's good. I know it's not original to the car because the transmission was replaced some time in the car's life but I don't know when. Did find I need a new neutral safety switch, as the wires as broke. The original connector is long gone but will figure something out when I decide to replace it. For now it's fine. It wasn't connected for quite a while, and the only issue is I don't have reverse lights.


The only thing I need to do at this point for the car to be mobile is replace that seal, add transmission fluid and gear oil, bleed the brakes as a precaution since I installed a new master cylinder, and that's it. Hopefully all will be well with the car.


I had a goal to take the car to a bootcamp my personal trainer held in 2012 but never got the car drivable. Now she has a bootcamp again, so my goal is to have that car there at that bootcamp.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #402 on: July 24, 2017, 09:37:46 AM »
With all you've accomplished, that sounds like a reasonable and reachable goal!!!


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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #403 on: July 24, 2017, 10:27:32 AM »
With all you've accomplished, that sounds like a reasonable and reachable goal!!!


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Thanks Dwayne,

I'll be hitting the gym tonight after work, then going to get a new tailshaft seal for the transmission. I just can't take a chance of a leak due to not replacing a $3 seal while the driveshaft is already out.  Once I do that I will charge the battery, add transmission fluid, some gear lube to the rear differential, and be good to bleed the brakes.... All theoretically of course.

So, in 2012 I bought the car only to have a fire. Didn't do anything from 2012-2016. Since 2016 I've done the following:

engine swap, repaint engine compartment,  rebuild entire brake hydraulic system & parking brake system, fix electrical short, install new radio, fix bad door pin switch, differential fluid & U-joint replacement, transmission fluid and filter change, power steering pump replacement, fuel line repair, rear shock replacement, paint carpet.

Quite a bit in a 12 month period.
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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #404 on: July 24, 2017, 10:40:27 AM »
I also replaced the speedometer cable with the newer one from the 77. Spun the old cable and could feel it binding in the housing. It'll be nice to test that cable when I go down the road and hopefully have no more bouncy speedo.
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« Reply #405 on: July 24, 2017, 11:02:50 AM »
The way your doing the work sound like a great way to prevent burn out that kill's many Pinto projects. Keep up the good work. The car will be worth it.
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« Reply #406 on: July 24, 2017, 12:46:59 PM »
Thanks. It helped having my Dad's car distract me, and my house distract me. I get going, then stop when I get annoyed. Since it's a project I take a step back and come back when I have a clear head. Although I hate tripping over the car's original engine as it sits in front of the car lol. I think it's safe to say I got more done yesterday than the rest of the year.

As for what's next I will pull the seats so I can paint the carpet. it's engine paint so not ideal but the carpet is garbage anyway. It needs new but floors need patched so gotta make do for now until I can repair the floors
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« Reply #407 on: July 24, 2017, 04:32:55 PM »
Sort of the same way I work on my cars.
Go hard till brain hurts and/or money runs out.

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« Reply #408 on: July 25, 2017, 09:28:45 AM »
Pretty much what happened. Ran outta cash, brain overloaded, had to work on my Dad's daily driver for a month. Fun stuff. Now his car needs more work. But I'm putting my car first this time. His car sits most the time anyway. Didn't get the seal last night but plan to tonight. I will then install it & reinstall the driveshaft, as well as pull the wheels & bleed the brakes. It has a solid pedal but since I disconnected the lines at the master cylinder I want to be sure it's good. I can then possibly remove the seats so I can paint the carpeting. I might not since I will be driving the car this weekend but might. We'll see. Most important is getting the car drivable & passing the first test drive since all the repairs.
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« Reply #409 on: July 25, 2017, 10:06:59 AM »
If its not fun you shouldn't be doing it. If you plan to fix it up to sell, forget it because you'll lose money. Been there and done that although yes, I should have kept them. This is a hobby plain and simple, so if its not fun find a different hobby. I've been working on Pinto's since 1972 and the fun is still there even though there were bad times along the way. If you really hate working on it, sell it to some one who will enjoy and have fun with it like I have. This post is not directed at any one person. Its just one of my rants. It is directed at all Pinto owners. And please post on the Pinto web site to insure its long life. We the members really need this site as both of the Mustang II sites have gone under. Lets not be the next one to fold. PLEASE!
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« Reply #410 on: July 25, 2017, 12:25:58 PM »
If I were you ... bleed the brakes at least twice. Lots. Make sure it flows CLEAN !

I use the clear tube into a jar method.

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« Reply #411 on: July 25, 2017, 01:04:49 PM »
If I were you ... bleed the brakes at least twice. Lots. Make sure it flows CLEAN !

I use the clear tube into a jar method.
Tried and true method. Been doing it that way for years.

As for the fluid flowing clean I had previously bled the brakes before multiple times at each wheel to get ALL the old rusty fluid out. All that remains is clean fluid. Only have to bleed them since the master cylinder failed and got air in the lines when I replaced the bad master cylinder.
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« Reply #412 on: July 26, 2017, 01:10:36 PM »
I've used one of those little air compress'r that you carry in your car to add pressure to the brake system for brake bleeding. Worked like a charm. Just make sure the master cylinder does not run dry.
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« Reply #413 on: July 26, 2017, 01:15:51 PM »
I've seen those before as well & may have to invest in one eventually. For now brake fluid in the bottle with the line in the fluid will work fine lol.

As for the car I got the transmission seal and driveshaft installed. Had to jump the car, since the battery was low but once I did the car ran somewhat decent. I really need to replace that carburetor. The 77 never did run too well on it but better than nothing. Once I got the car to stay running I got transmission fluid added to the car. I also added gear lube but need to get another bottle. The hatch seal I installed did not work so I will be buying one with a bigger seal area. The one had no compression to it with the hatch closed, so hopefully a different one will.

If all goes according to plan I will be driving that car to work tomorrow. It's suppose to rain & I want to test out the wiper motor. I replaced it but want to make sure all is well before a long trip. If it's going to act up I want to be close to home.
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« Reply #414 on: July 26, 2017, 05:37:21 PM »
Those air compressor are dirt cheap at Harbor freight. I've never had a tire they wouldn't inflate too. Walley world has them too.
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« Reply #415 on: July 26, 2017, 06:01:03 PM »
Well I have more issues to worry about than that. I come home and go in the garage to add differential fluid. Transmission fluid all over the ground. Not sure where it is coming from at the moment. I am going to get a bite to eat and start diagnosing the issue
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« Reply #416 on: July 27, 2017, 07:48:38 AM »
I've seen leaks from the dip stick holder O ring failing....

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Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
« Reply #417 on: July 27, 2017, 07:56:22 AM »
I've seen leaks from the dip stick holder O ring failing....

Reeves, funny you say that. I just got off the phone with O'reilly auto parts to order one. I think I may have to junk the car after this though. I don't know if I can afford it... That whole 29 cents might bankrupt me  ;D
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« Reply #418 on: July 27, 2017, 02:46:06 PM »
Don't forget the tax too!
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« Reply #419 on: July 27, 2017, 08:31:16 PM »
New transmission dipstick tube o-ring. It apparently was leaking at some time. The previous owners used RTV on the dipstick tube. I used to be surprised with what I saw but now not so much. The leak however was from a piece of gasket that was stuck to the transmission case, and a big one at that. cleaned the gasket off the case, wiped off the pan gasket, and put it all back together. Took the car for a drive and all is well. The brakes feel great with a good, solid pedal, and besides a speedometer that may not be accurate all is well.
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