Author Topic: New project... 1980 Runabout (Read 65265 times)

pinto_one · « **Reply #360 on:** April 23, 2017, 06:05:03 AM »

Oh well, I did not know you changed the carbs , it is common they stick if they sit up for some time , great you got a hand on it running and stoping , have a good one , later Blaine

r4pinto · « **Reply #361 on:** April 23, 2017, 10:05:23 AM »

Quote from: pinto_one on April 23, 2017, 06:05:03 AM

Oh well, I did not know you changed the carbs , it is common they stick if they sit up for some time , great you got a hand on it running and stoping , have a good one , later Blaine

Thanks. Yeah, the original carb wouldn't even get the car started after I installed the engine from the 77, so I installed the carb from the 77. I spent money rebuilding the carb from the 80 but no luck. It ran great before the fire but after the fire the car wouldn't run when I did the engine swap. Rebuilt the carb after the fire but no go. The choke opened before so just need to adjust it some.

In other news I ordered parts for the car. A new parking brake cable, two drums, and a transmission filter kit. The car has a leaky transmission pan gasket, and while I could probably just use RTV I'm not a fan and would rather do it right. Total cost for all parts is $67 shipped from Rockauto. Love that site. It's keeping my Pinto running. And the collection of magnets I'm getting is an added bonus lol.

r4pinto · « **Reply #362 on:** April 23, 2017, 10:10:49 AM »

I probably could leave the parking brake cable for now, but I'm paranoid. In 2011 the 77 Pinto had a blow out on the freeway due to a failed line, and the 80 had the brake issue. I don't want to drive the car without having that fixed. What has me concerned is the dash light didn't come on. I don't know if the bulb is good and will be checking that since it should have come on when the brakes failed on the 80 in my garage. The left drum will be kept as a spare. It has a little more material but is usable in an emergency. The right is junk. The only original parts is the master cylinder and lines. Oh, and the proportioning valve. Hardware was a newer kit from the 77 parts car, wheel cylinders brand new, RF was from the 77, and LF caliper brand new. Pads came from the 77 but were installed on that car in 2006. Hopefully she will drive ok soon.

pinto_one · « **Reply #363 on:** April 23, 2017, 02:57:34 PM »

Well you have a leg up on it , if the pedal goes to the floor again change the master cylinder, got a bad one a few years ago and hit the brakes and went down to the floor , pumped a few times and the brakes cam back , after that it would slowly go to the floor , scary,and if you need any carb parts let me know , got a few cores if you want them , I went to EFI a long time ago , later Blaine

r4pinto · « **Reply #364 on:** April 23, 2017, 02:59:00 PM »

Thanks I'll keep that in mind. I thought the same thing of the master cylinder which is what was puzzling. Solid pedal with no dropping which doesn't add up to a master cylinder failure. Only time will tell.

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r4pinto · « **Reply #365 on:** April 24, 2017, 06:11:17 AM »

Took the wiper motor off the car. Not too hard to get to. For granted if Ford had any brains back then the cowl would have been removable with the wiper motor and transmission linkage mounted outside the car but can't change the past. Took it apart and the motor smelled of burnt electrical. Bits of burned brush material. And by bits I mean chunks. I will end up ordering a new motor for the car. Was going to go after the old one on my parts car but remembered they were a bit jerky most the time so doubt it was good enough to use b

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pinto_one · « **Reply #366 on:** April 24, 2017, 10:27:21 AM »

When you put the wiper motor back do not put the wiper arms on yet , if you put the linkage on the motor 180 degrees out the rotation of the wiper shaft will reverse and the wiper arm will scratch your cowl to hell when it swings down and not up , Ask me how I know

r4pinto · « **Reply #367 on:** April 24, 2017, 10:28:42 AM »

Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to remove the arms

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pinto_one · « **Reply #368 on:** April 24, 2017, 10:44:59 AM »

Its just the arm on the motor on the motor itself , its so easy to install the arm in the wrong way .

r4pinto · « **Reply #369 on:** April 27, 2017, 06:33:40 PM »

Got some packages from Rockauto. Brake drums, parking brake cable, and transmission gasket with filter. Repairs to happen this weekend.

dga57 · « **Reply #370 on:** April 28, 2017, 01:37:46 AM »

Sounds like you have your weekend all planned out, Matt. Work safe!!!

Dwayne

r4pinto · « **Reply #371 on:** April 28, 2017, 07:00:40 AM »

Quote from: dga57 on April 28, 2017, 01:37:46 AM

Sounds like you have your weekend all planned out, Matt. Work safe!!!

Dwayne

I sure will Dwayne. Four jack stands supporting the car. That way I know she won't fall.

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pinto_one · « **Reply #372 on:** April 28, 2017, 08:52:11 AM »

The brake cable , is that a replaceiment or a universal one , and let us know how well it fits , thanks , Blaine

r4pinto · « **Reply #373 on:** April 28, 2017, 08:59:44 AM »

Quote from: pinto_one on April 28, 2017, 08:52:11 AM

The brake cable , is that a replaceiment or a universal one , and let us know how well it fits , thanks , Blaine

Supposed to be a replacement but we shall see. I'll let you guys know how it fits.

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r4pinto · « **Reply #374 on:** April 30, 2017, 04:59:38 PM »

The parking brake cable fit good.

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r4pinto · « **Reply #375 on:** April 30, 2017, 05:02:07 PM »

Part number pioneer. Ca5207. At first it seemed the housing was short but when I took it off and put back on it was fine. Nice to know the 80 will stop perfectly. Had an incident with the left rear wheel cylinder so now I need to replace it but once I replace it the car will be good to stop.

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pinto_one · « **Reply #376 on:** April 30, 2017, 08:31:32 PM »

Great that it fits , going to Order one for a spare just in case , got two pintos that I plan on keeping for life and do not want the hassle later if I need one , other parts as well like wheel cylinders , front calipers extra brake hoses , Ball joints etc , i keep also just in case , if it last another forty years I will be 😊

r4pinto · « **Reply #377 on:** April 30, 2017, 08:57:26 PM »

Today I jacked up the car and got cracking. Got the transmission filter and gasket done, as well as the parking brake cable. I was going to take care of the drums but had a wheel cylinder blow out on the left rear. Not sure why but now need a new wheel cylinder to replace the one I replaced in November.

pinto_one · « **Reply #378 on:** April 30, 2017, 09:15:49 PM »

When you took it apart back then did you change the shoes ? , a long time ago I had a friend of mine do a rear brake job on his mustang , after about a week the brakes did some odd things , have to pump them up for them to work and later found out he by accident swapped the adjusters left to right and right to left , instead of self adjusting they were backing themselves off untel one of the whelk cylinders popped off one end , just check to make sure , they are marked on the ends left and right , hope this help you figure this out , Blaine

r4pinto · « **Reply #379 on:** May 01, 2017, 06:50:11 AM »

Quote from: pinto_one on April 30, 2017, 09:15:49 PM

When you took it apart back then did you change the shoes ? , a long time ago I had a friend of mine do a rear brake job on his mustang , after about a week the brakes did some odd things , have to pump them up for them to work and later found out he by accident swapped the adjusters left to right and right to left , instead of self adjusting they were backing themselves off untel one of the whelk cylinders popped off one end , just check to make sure , they are marked on the ends left and right , hope this help you figure this out , Blaine

No the issue is the whee cylinder blew apart when I was putting the left rear back together. Don't know why it did that but it did so now I have to replace a wheel cylinder I did in November. It was fine before so dunno. As for the shoes they had all of .5 miles on them.

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pinto_one · « **Reply #380 on:** May 01, 2017, 06:56:26 AM »

Wow , it blew apart , now that is what I call a huge defect, those suppose to take a ton of pressure, make sure the box did not say made in China ,

r4pinto · « **Reply #381 on:** May 01, 2017, 06:57:45 AM »

Quote from: pinto_one on May 01, 2017, 06:56:26 AM

Wow , it blew apart , now that is what I call a huge defect, those suppose to take a ton of pressure, make sure the box did not say made in China ,

It was actually an AutoZone one so probably was

. I thought about putting it back together and bleeding it but my concern is if it blew apart that easy then it may be damaged. I don't play around with brakes

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r4pinto · « **Reply #382 on:** May 08, 2017, 10:47:30 PM »

Bought a new wheel cylinder from Autozone, and reinstalled the shoes, then adjusted the brakes. At first it was dragging but noticed the adjuster was all the way backed off, so I backed off the parking brake cable adjuster. That was the ticket. Once I did that the adjustment was perfect. I also found a can of medium blue vinyl/fabric paint in the garage. The carpet is badly faded so for now I will use that paint to make it look better. Doesn't look bad in the spots I sprayed.

I also found in theory an early model 3 door Focus door seal will work for the hatch so I bought one off eBay for $15, as well as ordered a wiper motor.

I need to add transmission fluid, as well as charge the battery. I left the passenger door open too much when trying to bleed the brakes it drained the battery.

Once the wiper motor comes in I will hook it up and hopefully be with functional wipers for the first time since I bought the car in 2013.

r4pinto · « **Reply #383 on:** May 09, 2017, 08:28:47 PM »

Installed the replacement motor and it doesn't work. Thought to myself... perhaps the switch acted up. So I took the intermittent switch setup from the 77 and installed it. Didn't fix the issue. The switch turned on the governor but no working motor. Seems I got a defective motor. Ordered a replacement from Oreilly auto parts and it'll be in Thursday. In addition I found the moment you turn the key on the fuse for the warning lights on the instrument cluster blows. I didn't have any other 14 amp fuses so I couldn't further diagnose the issue. It may be the seatbelt buckle, may be the parking brake switch, or may be a wire. Since I had to pull the instrument cluster to swap switches I will also change the speedo cable. The speedo bounced a little, and had the speedo cable from the 77 which I already replaced. We'll see what happens.

r4pinto · « **Reply #384 on:** May 13, 2017, 06:21:22 PM »

Got the replacement motor and went ahead and ran a wire to ground from the motor. It worked off the car so now I just need to install it. Today I was working on my Dad's Grand Prix all day so I didn't have a chance to work on it. I did go ahead and get a pack of 14 amp fuses so I can diagnose the electrical issue. I am going to start by unplugging both the emergency brake light and the seat belt buckle. I will work on isolating the issue once the fuse doesn't blow

russosborne · « **Reply #385 on:** May 13, 2017, 08:34:51 PM »

speaking as an electronic tech, that is normally the best way to troubleshoot something. Isolate it to the circuit, then the branch of the circuit, and then down to the actual fault.
Unless you can just see something obvious. :-)
Russ

r4pinto · « **Reply #386 on:** May 20, 2017, 09:34:29 AM »

Quote from: russosborne on May 13, 2017, 08:34:51 PM

speaking as an electronic tech, that is normally the best way to troubleshoot something. Isolate it to the circuit, then the branch of the circuit, and then down to the actual fault.
Unless you can just see something obvious. :-)
Russ

You know it. I love diagnosing auto electrical because I'm good at it. Give me a wiring schematic, digital multimeter, 12 volt test light, and I am a happy camper. One of the first purchases for the car when I bought it in 2013 was the factory Ford Pinto electrical book. It's served me well.

r4pinto · « **Reply #387 on:** May 20, 2017, 09:44:23 AM »

So I haven't been able to work on the car due to an evil Grand Prix called Christine 3, but I did get a new hatch gasket by ordering a door seal from a 3 door Focus. Too short but the bulb looks more like the Pinto one, so for now what I will do is use the Focus seal at the top and the existing seal elsewhere. The top was leaking due to wrong seal, so hopefully it'll work for now. Contrary to popular belief a single Focus 3 door seal WILL NOT work. I also decided while the car is in the air I will be replacing the loose universal joints. They were a bit floppy and one of the caps fell off. No needles fell out which made me concerned of their condition. Rockauto here I come.

russosborne · « **Reply #388 on:** June 14, 2017, 08:50:20 PM »

Hey, Matt.

Any updates?

Hope all is going well.

Russ

r4pinto · « **Reply #389 on:** June 14, 2017, 08:53:00 PM »

Unfortunately I haven't been able to even touch the car. Life got in the way in the form of my Dad's Grand Prix that was at my house for three weeks, my Malibu which needed brakes, a trip to Dover Delaware, and a damaged deck on the house. I hope to get back to work on the car soon but at the time it's unknown when that will happen

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