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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2005, 12:18:54 PM »
Darn, your fast ;D  About how long did it take you?  Was this your first T5 you rebuild?  What special tools did it require?
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2005, 12:02:16 AM »
Am wondering what throw out bearings are out there so that you could use the V-8 retainer? ???
The size,( OD ),of the surface that contacts the fingers on the pressure plate,(plus overall length), is this what you are looking for?
What do you figure would be the difference between V-8/4 CYL thrust bearings, (besides the bearing retainer diameter) other than general size? Have never bothered to look at V-8 ones. I guess that you might have to change the fork as well.

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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2005, 12:04:31 PM »
Darn, your fast ;D  About how long did it take you?  Was this your first T5 you rebuild?  What special tools did it require?

Hey TIGGER,
 My rebuild took about 8 hrs. BUT that is including the soak time in the parts cleaner to soften the old silicone adhiesive. All the parts I.E. gears and counter-shaft were cleaned and reused.
All bearings and seals were replaced. + all the syncros and blocker rings.
List of tools.
 Torque wrench, 3/16 punch snap ring pliers "2 kinds" brass mallet, rubber-plastic mallet, Bearing cup holder. 50 BUCKS! Ouch... I also needed a #40 torx bit that would allow me to tighten the countershaft bolts.
BIG damn Bearing press. My little press was good for somethings BUT I had to go to a local shop for some of the pressing. A nice parts washer is good too!
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2005, 12:33:23 PM »
Am wondering what throw out bearings are out there so that you could use the V-8 retainer? ???
The size,( OD ),of the surface that contacts the fingers on the pressure plate,(plus overall length), is this what you are looking for?
What do you figure would be the difference between V-8/4 CYL thrust bearings, (besides the bearing retainer diameter) other than general size? Have never bothered to look at V-8 ones. I guess that you might have to change the fork as well.

Al


Hey Al,
 I'm afraid I am stuck with the factory aluminum unit. I'm sure that I will not really NEED the steel bearing retainer. Especially that I won't be utting that many miles on it.
 The problem is that the STEEL retainer is beter and stronger and MOST of all cheaper.
 I have found the Steel retainer for 29.00 BUT the factrory aluminum unit is 50 bucks ! :'(
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2005, 12:38:58 PM »
Darn, your fast ;D  About how long did it take you?  Was this your first T5 you rebuild?  What special tools did it require?

When you set the end-play on the counter shaft and the main shaft you will need a dial caliper and magnetic base.
 Being as the case is aluminum... I had to drill some STEEL brackets to bolt the steel to the case so my magnetic base had a place to attach.
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2005, 01:06:19 PM »
Thanks for the info, I have all but the bearing tool and press :(  I passed on a couple V8 T-5's for my future Mustang project due to them needing a rebuild.  I was always curious to know what was needed to rebuild them.  I will keep my eyes open for a press and then I will attempt one ;)
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2005, 09:34:09 PM »
  So Pintony,
How much $$$.$$ total in parts for the WC rebuild.....an d will there be more coming on the mods for the install.  Lots of photos will make sure all your Pintos go to heaven with you...lol.

I wont be converting untill summer 06, but when I do it will be a WC/2.0 car.
  Forgive my lack of research,  please let me throw a few ?s  out to you. 

Do 2.0/2.3 motors from pintos use different bellhousing with same 4spd ?
If so
Will a 2.3 4spd BH bolt to a WC t-5, and is it the proper depth for input shaft ?
Does 2.0 flywheel accept proper clutch/pressure plate for the t-5
Is end of input shaft proper diameter for 2.0 pilot bearing
Thanks  ;D

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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2005, 10:35:35 PM »
  So Pintony,
How much $$$.$$ total in parts for the WC rebuild.....an d will there be more coming on the mods for the install.  Lots of photos will make sure all your Pintos go to heaven with you...lol.

I wont be converting untill summer 06, but when I do it will be a WC/2.0 car.
  Forgive my lack of research,  please let me throw a few ?s  out to you. 

Do 2.0/2.3 motors from pintos use different bellhousing with same 4spd ?
If so
Will a 2.3 4spd BH bolt to a WC t-5, and is it the proper depth for input shaft ?
Does 2.0 flywheel accept proper clutch/pressure plate for the t-5
Is end of input shaft proper diameter for 2.0 pilot bearing
Thanks  ;D

Wow!
Those are great questions!
I have many more photos to share with this group.
The rebuild kit I used came from Hanlon. 169.00 + shipping and I also purchased the 1st gear roller bearing +36.00.
This kit comes complete with all the goodies.
I will be showing the diference between 2 kits that I bought from different supplyers.
 BIG Difference! In the amount of parts small difference in the Price.
To answer your direct questions
1.Q, Do 2.0/2.3 motors from pintos use different bellhousing with same 4spd ?
   A, The Ford Pinto used the EXACT same bell bolt pattern for the 2.0 and 2.3 "4SPD"
       To use the T5 bell on a 2.0 you will have to modify to use all 6 bolts.

2. Q, Will a 2.3 4spd BH bolt to a WC t-5, and is it the proper depth for input shaft ?
   A, I do not think the borg warner T-5 will bolt to the Hummer 4spd tranny????????

3. Q, Does 2.0 flywheel accept proper clutch/pressure plate for the t-5?
    A, The stock Pinto clutch can be used BUT you have to use the 10 spline disc
          The bigger clutch assy. from a Turbo T-bird will bolt directly to the 2.3 crank.

.4. Q, Is end of input shaft proper diameter for 2.0 pilot bearing/
     A, Yes

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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2005, 01:54:52 PM »
Thank You  ;D  I am collecting information from the many and sundry sources for this conversion.... Maybe I'll build an instruction manual with photos, Hmmmmm.
Thanks again.

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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2005, 11:10:37 AM »
Hello Group,
 Here I have my old T-5 Transmission out of my Purple Pinto.
I already took the input shaft out and did not find "ANY" reason for the noise I was experiencing.
 The input shaft has some small wear on the spline where the clutch disc rides.
 The end-play is non-existant! It rotates good W/O any "UNUSUAL" noise???
I am puzzeled again as to what was causing the noise I'm hearing???
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2005, 11:37:21 AM »
When I removed the 2 rear U-bolts they were not real tight? But NOT LOOSE.
There is no marks on the u-joint caps and the yoke is NEW and in perfect condition.
 I replaced the tailshaft bushing to match up with the new yoke before installing the first time.

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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2005, 01:10:31 PM »
I FOUND THE NOISE!

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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2005, 02:43:41 PM »
I FOUND THE NOISE!


Yeah....Tony.U m I dont think there is supose to be a screwdriver between the clutch disc and the flywheel...... ...... ::) :o. Im sure that caused a bunch of noise......... .......... :police: ;D ;)
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2006, 12:51:53 PM »
Still tring to decide what to do about a clutch for my T-5 install.
I can not seen to find a suitable solution that is NOT 300+ BUCKS.
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2006, 09:17:44 PM »
Hello Group,
 I have my T-5 back in my P.P. tonight.
 Here is a shot me checking and setting the end play.
 The end play should be 0 so I need a .022 thick shim.


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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2006, 09:20:14 PM »
You have to mike the shims to find the correct one.
Then re-install the front bearing retainer and check the end play again.
 I actually ended up using a .025 shim to get 0 end-play.

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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2006, 01:37:43 AM »
Just have to say THANKS Pintony, and to the rest of you out there who so freely share your Pinto wisedom. This site and all it's resources is invaluble! I raise a toast to you all!  :drunk:

Ok, back to business. I've located a T5 and from what I'm seeing in the ID chart, I'm guessing that it is a WC tranny. It is a 1352-209. It has the same spec's as your 162. Am correct in this assumption? WC T5 2.3.
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2006, 10:40:49 AM »
Hello DragonWagon,
 Your 1352 209 spces. out just like my 162. Same gears and input shaft length.
 You just want to stay away from the 1351 tranny.
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« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2006, 12:37:59 PM »
Cool, thanks. It's always nice to have confirmation that I might have some idea what I'm doing!
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2006, 07:23:58 PM »
Tony, I have located several t5's in a local wrecker. One is in a 2.3 turbo coupe and the others are in n/a 2.3 mustangs. Which would be the better gearbox? Also, I checked with my local transmission shop and they said about 700 to rebuild it (bench job, no install) How difficult are they to go through (the right way)? I really don't want to fork out the bucks if I could do it my self. I do have access to the presses to take care of the bearing races.Thanks.. .Rob
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2006, 10:16:58 PM »
Rob, I would lean more towards the Turbo Coupe 5spd if it is in good shape.  My 86-1/2 Turbo Coupe came with a Hurst short throw shifter from the factory.  I am running a Steeda Tri-ax in my Mustang and I love it.  It has been one of the most enjoyable mods I have made to date, IMO.
 
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2006, 11:57:28 AM »
I'm converting my 1.3 mile oval track Capri 2 with a 2.3 to try road racing and I found this site to help on trans selection:
http://ddperformance.com/Trans%20ID%20chart.htm
What I'm looking for is a 2.3 T5 from a '91-'93 which has the closest ratios...anyon e In So. Calif. area have one?

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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2006, 01:31:12 PM »
So Pintony, are you still happy with the Hanlan T5 kit? I just picked up a tranny and will be rebuilding it with the help of this thread and also this excellent pdf as a reference guide.

http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English/media/pdfs_autogen/T-5_Service_Manual.pdf

Unfortunately, my T5 didn't come with the bell housing. Can I use my stock 4sp BH on the T5?
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« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2006, 02:12:10 PM »
Hello DragonWagon,
 You really need a T5 bell.
 Yes Hanlon was the best kit. Not the cheepest though.
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« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2006, 02:28:11 PM »
The D9 bell (4spd.) will bolt to a t-5 and will keep you from having to notch the crossmember.

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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2006, 03:56:31 PM »
Ok thanks for the info guys. I'll do some more junkyard scrounging when I have time... and it stops raining. I need to find an 8" rearend and a driveline anyway. Is there a cheat sheet of 8" numbers out there? Like the T5 one. A lot of this is new to me, so the more info the better.
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2006, 04:49:22 PM »
All hail, Pintony!!

I was just thinking to myself the other day, as I was watching traffic passing me in my (badly vibrating) rear view mirror, how nice it would be if my '73 had one more gear.

The engine's freshly rebuilt but the gearbox is a little tired and cranky.

This older guy I know suggested a Columbia two speed rear end(!?!) which, aside from actually finding/refurbishing/adapting/installing such a thing, still doesn't address rebuilding the stock 4-speed.

I'm still trying to catch up with y'all---Pintony, sounds like you'd already fit a T5 into your 2.0L...? Have you published a 'how to' or ever thought about it? I'd *definitely* be willing to pay/make a donation/volunteer in exchange for reasonably complete documentation of the swap.

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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2006, 05:06:07 PM »
Hello Pinto_Girl,
  Yes My T5 is working great!
The re-build and install is an outstanding improvement over the 4 speed Hummer tranny.
Actually I have had my T5 in my P.P. since 1995.

 Do you have any idea what rear axel ratio you have??
I'm running a 4.11  so I really need the overdrive.
My last Turbo Pinto had 4.62 gears W/ no overdrive.
But I was young then and it did not bother me. ;D
 Gas was only 65-75 cents too!
 
I will help anyway I can.
 The most important piece is the modified Bell house for the 2.0
Lucky, WE having the early Pinto do not have the cable issues like the late model Pinto does.
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« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2006, 11:45:23 PM »
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Re: Borg Warner T-5 speed install
« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2007, 10:46:40 AM »
Pintony,
When you installed your T-5, did you use the cable operated clutch like the 4 speed pinto used or did you have to get creative to make everything work properly?  I'll be doing a 302 / T-5 install soon and would like to use the existing 4 speed clutch cable system if possible, or I have hydraulic slave / master cylinder on the shelf if need be.  Thanks!
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