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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #180 on: July 30, 2016, 07:29:12 AM »
I think I would put them right in front of it..
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #181 on: July 31, 2016, 06:48:40 AM »
Likely will.....want to keep the fresh air vent & behind will be in the way of other brackets etc.
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #182 on: August 08, 2016, 07:00:12 AM »
Tinkered with a few small parts.

Tested the Permatex gel rust remover on the ash tray.
Works much slower than it says on the bottle. Plus you have to remove as much rust as you can before using the gel. Next time I use it, will likely leave it for 4+ hours & see what it does.

Ordered a set of bottom control arms - NOS - with the bushings & ball joints - also NOS.
Will finish the originals & have as spares - or build a re-build "kit" to sell.........?

Less than a week before work starts up, so work on the car will grind to a halt on the car. Sort of.....got a list of parts to buy !  ;D
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #183 on: August 08, 2016, 07:28:03 AM »
Was wondering how that Permatex stuff worked, guess you can't be in a rush..
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #184 on: August 08, 2016, 07:47:53 AM »
Wanted to test on a small part, before the dash.

Ideal would be to take the VIN off & take it to town rad shop. He can acid dip etc & have it 100% clean........b ut I have not found a buddy that will send me the rosette rivits I'd need to put the VIN back on (hint hint....LOL ), which in aluminum & would melt in the dip.
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #185 on: August 08, 2016, 09:17:25 AM »
Thought you couldn't get those rivets??..  ???
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #186 on: August 08, 2016, 10:03:59 AM »
Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on August 08, 2016, 09:17:25 AM
Thought you couldn't get those rivets??..  ???

Google: Ford Rosette Rivets

All I found are in the States though......
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #187 on: August 09, 2016, 07:39:31 AM »
Lot of interesting reading on that.
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #188 on: August 09, 2016, 07:46:59 AM »
I've read that some States they are illegal to have/sell etc.

Tried to find out from the RCMP here if I could remove the tag for restoration. Never did get a clear answer.
Also tried from a local registration place & same, no clear answer.

Even when I asked different places, I get different answers.

Not wanting to get into some kind of troubles.....w ith using "normal" rivets, I have been looking into the melt rust stuff.
Again..... seems hard to get the good stuff in Canada.
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #189 on: August 09, 2016, 08:04:05 AM »
It is a touchy situation alright lot of controversy, I seen a thread on a forum a while back it was around 30 pages, and after reading the whole thing you were no farther ahead than at the beginning. I do know if they see plain rivets they'll nail ya though.. I knew a guy that glued a piece of rubber over the plate before blasting to save the plate and it worked.
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #190 on: August 09, 2016, 01:23:41 PM »
Mention VIN rivets in a Sunbeam Tiger crowd and you might get even more than 30 pages of discussion.  The Tigers/Alpines had no other ID (nothing chassis stamped) but two plates on the cowl.  One was the Rootes Group (Sunbeam) plate that was riveted. The other was the Jensen plate that was screwed on and used to ID the car when they had it for their portion of the build process.  Anyway, there has been fraud where Alpines have been converted into Tigers. The Tiger people are tenacious about preventing this. They have no problem with putting a V8 in an Alpine, but they detest doing so and calling the car a Tiger.

Anyway, the special rivets used for the ID plate from Rootes can be a real point of controversy.  That said the Tiger Authentication Committee will authenticate a Tiger with both those plates missing.  There are a number of significant aspects that differentiate a Tiger from an Alpine, not only the parts, but the methodology as well.  In some ways this is a mote point because it doesn't have any authority with the DMV.

  I like the method Art mentioned about covering the ID plate with rubber.  For cars with dash mounted plates it is conceivable to grind the rivet from the bottom for removal.  Then the plate and rivet can be epoxied back on. Original plate, original location, original rivets. But frankly in this day and age of CNC  machines I don't doubt that any rivet couldn't be reproduced with much difficulty.
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #191 on: August 10, 2016, 06:37:48 AM »
Tiger project here: http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=73381.0

To think I passed up 2-3 of them for 3k back in the 80s, because I thought it was too much !  :'(

Thought about light sand blasting - the risk of warping the metal is high, due to very thin metal. Plus it doesn't address the issue of rust under the inside bracket/support.

Read about the cut them off under & epoxy back on. Don't want to do that.

Going to try & get the proper rivets...... one day.
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #192 on: August 10, 2016, 07:39:16 AM »
I watched a buddy of mine use aluminum oxide on sheet metal, worked real good as long as you don't stay in one spot there was no warpage at all..
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #193 on: August 10, 2016, 02:36:48 PM »
Those prices ($18,500 ea.) for a Tiger might not be too bad. I'd have to know how much rust there is on the one that is stated to have it.  I've heard/seen a few Tigers going in the $120,000 range.  But I believe a lot of that was alcohol and auction driven. I still think you can get a decent one for under $50,000 if you are patent and not expecting pristine. $60,000-$80,00 would be more typical for very nice Tigers. Thus the $20,000 range for Tiger than need extensive work.

I got mine in 2000. A basket case for sure, but not the worse kind. It came with $800 in new parts, a complete front clip and the hard top.  The asking price for everything was $5,900 and I got it down to $5,100. I got the Tiger itself for $3,500 and the parts, clip and HT were valued at the remaining $1,600. These items, not installed, were thus not taxed on the sale price.  My only problem is I stopped working on it in 2004 and it still sits. Three other cars got in the way (my Turbo Pinto being one of them) and now my daughter's 6 month Tiny House project is now entering its third year of construction.  :(

My apology to the OP for the diversion. But when a post gets 7 pages long..., they tend to meander.
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #194 on: August 10, 2016, 05:11:22 PM »
No real diversion....

Tigers are big time cool !
First one I laid eyes on was at Cayuga race track (early 70s ?) in Ont. Canada. Guy was in the staging lanes cursing a blue streak, changing spark plugs  ;D
Was turning very low 11s - this was on a real 1/4 mile: 1320'
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #195 on: August 28, 2016, 10:53:05 PM »
Work buddy one Province to the west (BC) had some wheels given to him.
He is giving them to me. Not the best pictures....he says they will or should clean up OK.
There are 4 "skinny" ones and two wide ones.
Tires on all of them is toast.











I'll take better pictures after I get them. No idea when that will be. He will bring them when the next job starts.
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #196 on: September 03, 2016, 07:44:54 AM »
FYI - I bought a NOS set of lower control arms - complete with bushings & lower ball joints !

I'll pick up bushings & ball joints to re-build the ones I blasted & POR 15 coated......ju st because  ;D
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #197 on: September 03, 2016, 02:32:59 PM »
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #198 on: September 04, 2016, 07:29:27 AM »
Like those wheels.. 8)
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #199 on: September 05, 2016, 06:28:10 AM »
I'll have better pictures soon.
Buddy is delivering them to me at work tomorrow......

I had already looked on line a bit for tires. Not common any more, it seems ?
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« Reply #200 on: September 06, 2016, 07:46:33 AM »
Nope, they're getting harder and harder to find and not much variety..
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #201 on: October 16, 2016, 07:04:09 AM »
Home last week, so had a chance to look those wheels over : junk. Pitted bad.

Lower control arms came in while I was gone. Looked them over & they look good. Next time I have the blaster going (likely next spring) they'll get done & POR coated.

Work is slow......extr a (car) funds small. Going to slow things down.
Unless the B2 car sells......I've put the word ,out here & there.
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #202 on: November 08, 2016, 04:51:05 PM »
Shop tinkering....

Made a couple new clutch cable clevises.
OEM on the left. Worn pin holes - forget whom I bought it from ?

I have a couple new pins. Have to shorten them & drill for cotter pins.

I have a NOS cable. Now new clevis, and a spare.





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« Reply #203 on: November 09, 2016, 09:04:13 AM »
Looks good, got a brand new system now..
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #204 on: November 15, 2016, 06:44:53 AM »
Modified the new clutch fork....forgot to take a picture. Will do so today, because I need a chunk of a Pinto fork to mod another....
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #205 on: November 19, 2016, 10:25:41 PM »
Area I cut to weld onto a new fork. Need one more.... so if someone has one, can you cut this part out (zip blade on grinders) and mail to me ? Best to cut extra so I can fit myself.



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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #206 on: January 15, 2017, 06:09:41 PM »
Only thing I got done during the Xmas break , was to install the rod for lining up the sub frame / springs , when the time comes to install the SUB frames.

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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #207 on: April 22, 2017, 06:34:15 AM »
Picked up 3" x 1.5" x .100 wall tubing for the SUB frames. Hard to find here...
I still have a few short pieces to pick up for the front spring mounts,  .125 flat plate & cross tubing.
I can get that locally though.

Stocked up on POR 15.
Stocked up on sand blasting sand & blaster parts, that wear quickly.

Ordering some front (hard to find) front suspension parts.

Wish I could find a re-build kit for the rack......
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #208 on: May 25, 2017, 06:57:32 AM »
Found NOS front & rear valances (below bumpers) for the car - bought them !
They are being shipped soon.....
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Re: Blue 72
« Reply #209 on: June 02, 2017, 08:24:48 AM »
Best way I've found to get called back to work......star t a project !  ;D

Yesterday I started cleaning & moving stuff around the shop, so I can now work on this car.
Marked the first part of the SUB frame lines.

Rain today, so cannot roll it out for some sand blasting , before I start cutting.....
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