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winsor351 - google sms auto fabrics - you will have to match your material and have a local reupholster them for you. no place to buy nos/repop covers for pintos

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73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« on: December 10, 2009, 02:20:02 AM »
Got my wagon delivered today. The man who sold it to me put tires on it and loaded it up on his trailer to drop it off at my parent's house. That is where I will be working on the car until I can get it running. Then it will be moved to my apartment parking lot or my storage unit so I can work on it when I'm really bored.

This is going to be a long slow project, not much progress once it's running, since I have a daughter on the way. Once things settle down though, the fun will really begin! :D


Here are some pictures of it about 10 minutes after delivery.


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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 02:23:24 AM »
Despite the obvious damage, it's actually in amazing shape for being 36 years old.

No serious rust, no door dings, door seals, window seals (minus the windshield gasket) and the lift gate seal are all still in good plyable condition!!! Light lenses are all intact and no scratched or faded glass (windshield is cracked though).

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I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2009, 02:25:13 AM »
I'm very surprised with the condition of the door metal, the fenders and quarter panels behind the wheels and the rocker panels. All in great shape!

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Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 02:27:21 AM »
Here's what I have purchased for it so far, to get it running...

Distributor cap
Distributor rotor
Spark plugs
Plug wires
Points
Condenser
Starter Solenoid
Starter
Battery
V-Belts
Timing Belt
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Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2009, 02:30:12 AM »
Here is what I have in storage for it from stock piling parts...

Headliner
Popout window hinges
Side window gaskets
Cargo Area Light
E-Brake Cable
Seat Covers
Steering Wheel
Door Panels
Door Cranks
Outside Door handles
Windshield gasket (better than what's on the car)
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2009, 02:33:50 AM »
Here's what I still need to get and fix before I take it on the "maiden voyage"...

Brake pads, shoes, cylinders, and calipers
Master Brake Cylinder
Fuel Hose
Carburetor Rebuild Kit
Alternator
Turn brake drums and rotors
Front grill (for turn signal lenses)

I also need to drop and clean the tank, change the oil, change the tranny fluid, change the differential fluid, and check the drive line.
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2009, 02:37:41 AM »
The little wagon's last registration expired in July of 1989 and even still has the last 70s style license plates on the front and back. The previous registered owner of the wagon passed away, and I have the death certificate and power of attorney papers to prove the car was sold to the previous owner who sold it to me, and then sold to me. I have a "rectified title" for the car from 1985. I have not found any other information other than this so far though.

From what we know, the 90,000ish miles on the odometer are original and it has not rolled over yet. I will do a car fax report to be sure though.

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 02:51:20 AM »
Dave,

Nice score!  Not bad at all!!! :surprised:

Carfax doesn't list anything older than 1981 models so there's no point wasting your time trying that.  You'll probably just have to trust the paperwork you have.

Congratulation s!

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 06:03:46 AM »
Dave1987:  Nice 1973 wagon.  Looks like you got a real honey there.....  F.Y.I. if you're interested now or later, I restored a 1971 Ford Pinto trunk model this past summer, and came up with a few extra parts.  If you'd like them, I'll be glad to give them to you, for just the price of shipping.

#1.  I have a grille which should fit a 1971-1973 model, complete with turn signal lens.  The good part is it's a usuable grille, but bad part is it's got a small crack or break in one of the teeth.  That's why I replaced it.  I have it stowed in my attic, so I haven't seen it for awhile, but still I think a very usable grille.
#2.  I have several extra hubcaps, I think maybe 5 or 6, again, they're stowed in the attic and I haven't seen them for a while.  They all have a flaw in them, that's why I didn't use them.  I think I bought about 10 or so, just to get 4 really nice ones. Again, they are very usable.
#3.  I have the front seats out of a 1978 or 1979 Ford Pinto.  They are black vinyl with some sort of Indian type print cloth insets.  The seats are in very usable shape, but do need some attention.  The passenger seat is in very good shape, but the cloth insets even though intact, are still faded and could use replacements.  The driver's side is similar; however, there's some wearing in the far left side of the back rest, from folks getting in and out of the car all these years.  Again, the cloth insets should be replaced as they are faded.  They do not come with rails. 
#4.  A front bumper guard I think for a 1972 or 1973.  It's larger than what I really needed for my 1971, but it's in great shape.
In my travels to gain parts for my Pinto, I have found a couple of salvage yards in the area, which have some older Pintos, including wagons.  Thank heavens we have Fred Morgan which can probably help you with anything you need, but if you really need something and cannot find it, let me know...I'll check my yards here around Muncie, Indiana.  These parts I currently have are free to you, with only the cost of shipping.  If you would like me to email pictures to you I can do that with no problem; however, I recently packed for a move, but the sale of my house fell thru, and I may not be able to easily get to some of the items until spring.  Just let me know....thanks .....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 12:33:35 PM »
Hey Dave Sweet. im seein some cruisen panels, tubs, HUGE set of meats, nice little stroked 351, maybe a blower peaking thru the hood.  ;D ;D oh wait thats my wagon im thinking of, just gotta get a wagon. 
nice ride though
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2009, 03:26:48 PM »
Dave, congratulation s on both your deliveries... the impending one of your daughter (I was wondering when you'll hit Daddyville!) and your wagon. While I really can't vouch for your soon-to-arrive daughter I can say the wagon you have is a beauty! Yes, she needs some odds and ends but she does look as if she otherwise aged well. I'm happy for the riches you are coming into!  :)
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2009, 04:50:50 PM »
Wow Dave, she looks beautiful! Really doesn't look like there is to much damage. Nothing a fender and bezel and grille wont fix, and I see you already have some people that have those thing for you!!!! I am excited for you as I know what it is like to get a new Pinto!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Keep us posted on her progress!!!

Oh and I love her name!!! Perfect!! ;D
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2009, 02:38:59 AM »
Thanks for the offer Larry! I appreciate it more than you know! I have all the hub caps in the car, Darrel, the guy who sold it to me, just had time to put one on to make sure they fit the rims he put on the car. The ones I have are in immaculate shape, no dents, just need polished! I have spare seats in storage from the bobcat wagon I striped out in the spring. I haven't had time to yet, but I will take a look at the left bumper guard and see if I can bend it back into shape. If I don't win the grill I am bidding for on ebay, I will let you know!

smallfrye, I plan to do something fun with this motor, maybe a dual carb setup. We shall see! :D

Thanks blu! I'm excited about having a wagon (still can't believe it!), and even more for my daughter!!!

Kim, it needs a bit more than just that fender, the front valance is bent on the passenger side, but can be smoothed out to look right again. I knew you would love the name for it. You car names were a great influence on it! :)
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2009, 02:46:56 AM »
Did a bit of tinkering with the wagon today. Replaced the starter solenoid and got her to crank. It needs a new ignition switch, the one in there doesn't stick in positions and the motor will continue cranking, even when in the "run" position. Might just need to be pulled and cleaned up though.

Even though she's turning over, I can't get it to start due to lack of spark. I replaced the coil (original ford unit still in the car) but it still won't do anything! Need to trace the wires and find out what it is. I'm wondering if it's the module with the large heatsink on it that mounts to the fender wall or the coil resistor wire. Yet again, more testing will tell me more.

Found out today that the upper alternator bracket doesn't have any bolts in it! Instead it is jimmy rigged with trampoline springs and a chisel to put tension on it! Anyone got a set of upper alternator bracket bolts for a 2.0???


Was able to get the air cleaner top off (one of the studs spins with the wing nut). Thank god it has a holley 5200! It's the carb I know and have extra parts for! :D

Mounted the hood latch back onto the hood, missing one of the bolts though. Yet another piece of hardware I could use from a gracious member here!
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2009, 12:46:40 PM »
I have spare seats in storage from the bobcat wagon I striped out in the spring.

Dave those seat the front or rear? if it s the rear wagon seats they wont fit. i have some Blue ones for the cost of shipping in good condition if you want them. rear seats from a 73 wagon that did not fit in my car
I has no pinto's/bobcats of my own now. Just have a 2003 Caravan. Wife has a 1978 mercury bobcat im restoring. looking for a V8 conversiokn gone Awry that i can fix up

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2009, 10:21:20 PM »
Just the front seats from the bobcat wagon I stripped. I saw no purpose in pulling the rear seat as I never really thought I would own a Wagon! :P I did pull the upholstery off the rear seat though.

Looking for a working ignition switch now.
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2009, 10:57:27 PM »
Pushed the wagon onto the cement driveway just in front of where it sits so I could vacuum it out and check the lighting. Here's some pictures from today!

I pulled the carpet back after vacuuming and checked out the spare tire well. Under the carpet is VERY clean!! No evidence of rust, which is a very good thing! :D All I could find was where the mat under the spare tire had stuck to the spare tire well and pulled up the paint (First Picture).

After inspection and vacuuming it all out, I put it back together, in order (second picture).

Pictures 2 and 3 show the cargo area after I vacuumed it all out. There are some tears in the carpet, but the rest of it is strong.

It seems like the carpet as shrunk. I can't button it down on the sides because it doesn't stretch far enough to do so. It does cover the floor well enough though.
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2009, 11:06:39 PM »
I put the battery back in to test a few electrical things on the car. The one headlight that is on the car works fine, at least on high beam mode. It might just be the bulb though, I will replace them with the spares I have in storage to find out later though. The tail lights work, however the backup lights do not, might just be the tranny switch though. Only the driver's side marker lights work, the passenger side doesn't. The turn signals work, but need it needs a new relay and switch assembly, as it doesn't click when switched into position anymore. Front turn signal lights work too!

Needs a new switch for the lights though, have to jiggle the knob a bit to get both the interior and exterior lights to stay on at the same time.

About 40% of the interior lighting works. Half the gauge lights work, 80% of the climate control lights work, and the dome light works.

The blow works, sounds nice and strong, and not noisy!

The wiper motor is nice and quiet, no strange rattles or anything, but only the driver's side wiper arm moves. Need to check the linkage for the passenger side.


I pushed the fold on the rear bumper down with a 2x4 and a hammer. It's straighter than before! I also straightened out the driver's side bumper guard on the front bumper. The mounting tabs were bent on both the car and the guard.

Put the rest of the hub caps on the wheels.

Sprayed all the latches, locks and hinges with WD-40.

Removed all of the wasp nests in the doors and engine compartment.

I also pulled out the remains of some vines that were growing into or out of the tailgate. I found that rather odd.
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I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2009, 01:35:46 AM »
sounds like a good start
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2009, 10:44:17 AM »
Wow, it is looking really good! THe carpet doesn't look bad at all! None of mine were so lucky!!

Now as far as that tranny switch for the back up lights! Watch out that puppy is around 30 some odd bucks!!! :hypno:  I didn't even think it would be that much so I told the part guy to order me too! What a shock when they came in!! I learned my lesson, I will always ask how much from now on! LOL Although I need them anyway! The thing that sucked on one car though, is that even after we put the new switch in, the lights still didn't turn on! We need to check the bulbs! I sure hope when we get to installing the other one on the Ghost, I will have better luck. 30 bucks is alot to spend to have them now work in the end!!  Your prices may be better though who knows!! If they are let me know! LOL I will have you buy my next one! LOL

Anyway the wagon is looking great!! Keep up the great work and pics!!!  ;D
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2009, 09:47:03 PM »
I'm thinking it is the bulbs, or the car must be running for the backup lights to work. I can't find anything relating to a back up lamp switch or reverse switch at any parts stores. :( My 78, which is manual, has a backup lamp switch/neutral safety switch, which would be the $30 one you purchased, Kim. I tried to find one of those switches cheaper, but $30 was the cheapest in town, and I needed it!

The wagon is automatic. When I shift it into reverse, the lights don't come on. I will have to pop the light assemblies and check the bulbs.
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2009, 09:53:24 PM »
Looking for 73 wiring diagrams. My Chilton's book doesn't have any in it. Need to trace the wiring from the ignition switch to the coil. Is there a ballast resistor inline? If so, is it a component resistor or is it a resistive (is that even a word?? lol) wire?

I looked up ballast on O'Reilly's website for the 73 Pinto with a 2.0 motor, and all I could find was a wire (Part # RU13)

http://www.schucks.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=BOR&MfrPartNumber=RU13

Is that what I'm looking for??
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2009, 08:11:02 PM »
That is a resistor wire but I would check the ignition switch first, (earlier post said it wasn't working properly)
You should be getting about 9 volts to the + side of the coil in the run position and 12 in the crank position. You can also run a jumper from the battery to get it running.
As far as the back-up lights, put something behind the car so you can see if the lights come on, then move the shifter back and forth. sometimes the neutral switch will get out of adjustment and they won't light in R.
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2009, 11:11:32 PM »
Thank you Jim! Tomorrow I am heading over to my parents to drop the steering column and check voltage at the coil with my multimeter, so I will play with it then.

Today I cleared out some of my storage unit and put a lot of stuff in the back of the wagon. Just things that the car will be needing replaced and what not, things I have that are in better shape, etc. Lots of chrome trim, my other roof rack, the glass seals, replacement headliner, headlights, hardware, etc. Need to find some batteries for my digital camera now so I can get some better pictures of the car tomorrow!
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2009, 01:20:13 PM »
Can't wait to see some new pix of this wonderful piece of Ford history....hav e fun...Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2009, 11:20:58 PM »
Dropped the steering column today to check the switch. Even took the switch apart and cleaned the contacts. Nothing, still cranks in the "Run" position. I'm thinking something is wrong with the wiring.... Any ideas?? The coil is reading 4 volts while cranking in the run position, forgot to check the crank position. But 4 is really low, so I'm going to replace the coil and the switch with this paycheck.

Removed the instrument cluster....... ...The back white plastic....... .Is in PERFECT shape! :D It's still shiney and very solid! I'm thrilled that I can keep the original one in there!

I moved the shifter through all of the positions and no backup lights. Didn't have time to check the bulbs, but that's my next step. Getting her to fire is my main priority right now.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new
1973 Ford Pinto Station Wagon - Second Owner

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2009, 02:12:41 AM »
Could the bar that initiates the Starter motor be sticking ?
I has no pinto's/bobcats of my own now. Just have a 2003 Caravan. Wife has a 1978 mercury bobcat im restoring. looking for a V8 conversiokn gone Awry that i can fix up

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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2009, 03:21:37 AM »
Not sure. Need to play around with starter solenoid a little as well.
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2009, 07:19:35 AM »
im going to give my guess, solenoid
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Re: 73 Wagon Project - Brownie
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2009, 09:27:13 AM »
the reverse light switch is incorporated in the neutral safety switch on autos.


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