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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2016, 03:01:46 PM »
You could have used flex pipe but your looks much better and will last longer too. Only us poor boy's with out a welder use flex pipe. At least to drive it to a muffler shop. Keep up the good work. Your post are always good information.
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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2017, 02:16:11 PM »
Robert came to visit on his way to job training in the Netherlands, and brought some parts that I was missing from the interior of my car, and would be impossible to find here. Thanks a bunch Robert!
Then an even bigger surprise, Robert opened a large suitcase, and folded out came a new Pinto carpet, which had been sent to him by Blaine! Thatís just unbelievable, I donít know how to thank Pinto_ One  enough for this!
Robert is at the left in the picture, Geert (thatís me) at the right.
And maybe itís just me, but I had the impression that Donkeyís headlights were shining brighter todayÖ

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2017, 11:50:37 PM »
It's the willing helpfulness between members that makes this site special!  This is a perfect example of that!

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2017, 01:30:52 PM »
Glad your head lights are now shinning very brightly , please post a few photos when you install the carpet , going to look great inside , now you need some nice wheels  ;D
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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2017, 02:16:19 PM »
He has wheels in the garage.  I seen them.  Glad to see Geert's progress on the wagon.  Blaine gets credit as I was just courier. 

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2017, 10:54:02 AM »
Once again Donkey went to the Antwerp Classic Salon (40th edition). On the parking lot he cuddled up to a Audi Ur-Quattro.
Other joys to be seen on the increasingly wet and muddy parking were the classics in the second image, if you look carefully you can also see parts of several recent Bentley convertibles and Porsches next to and behind them, it gives an idea of the wide variety of people that this event attracts.
Third image shows a French Ford SAF ComŤte Monte Carlo, which has the French version of the 239 flathead V8.
Fourth image is a rally prepped Mustang.
Iím sorry, but there wasnít a Ford 2.0 or 2.3 in sight, only Pinto connection was a Capri 2.8 from the last day they built them in 1986.
Used parts availability on these shows is getting poorer by the year, seems that everything is going by the Internet nowadays, and I donít care for stands with model cars, leather caps and goggles.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2017, 10:55:30 AM »
Here are some extra ďeco greenĒ Salon impressions, more or less as a protest against Antwerp creating a LEZ (low emission zone) for the inner city, effectively banning 1 in 5 vehicles registered in that zone (!) from entering it. All over Europe cities are creating their own crazy schemes, so you never know what youíre up against when driving a car older then say 15 years.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2017, 04:15:56 PM »
Nice show.  The big cities here have emissions testing up to a certain age usually 30 yrs or greater, every state different.  I live in country but work in city so I basically get a free pass to pollute the 90 kilometer commute each way

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2017, 12:27:08 PM »
So sad to have to say farewellÖ
To a period accessory; the tin mud flaps have reached the end of their working life, all battered and with torn out bolt holes they have to go.
To soften the loss I took Donkey on a 130 mile round trip to the ďAmerican DayĒ in Boxtel.
Here he was in rather exquisite company, but still drew attention for being a true rarity, no Pintoís here, let alone wagonís.
I might have tried to enter the ďconcours díeleganceĒ competition, but in hindsight, that would have have been a step too far.
Donkey behaved impeccably all day, but this was the first time I experienced some fuel starvation with a more than half empty tank on accelerating out off a left hand corner.  Future update wish list gets tank baffling or a swirl pot added.
Still have to find time to perform other work that was already in the planning though, home improvement chores get in the way.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #69 on: April 17, 2017, 10:47:37 AM »
Car looks great ,  I hope you keep it out of the mud since you don't have mud flaps anymore .  ;D
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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #70 on: June 24, 2017, 02:36:23 PM »
spring has past, no news...
Had to start sometime on axle change, Donkey is back in the pits.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2017, 06:57:10 PM »
I hate to be the one to tell you this but your going to have a wheel problem , the center 71 to 73 wheels
will not fit the 74 up hubs , they will not slide all the way on ,there is a fix for that 
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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #72 on: June 25, 2017, 11:30:15 AM »
No worries Blaine, I was aware of that, saying goodbye to the 13 inches anyways.
There is one other thing that I would like some advice on.
In Bob2000ís axle conversion story there was a mention of the 71-73 Pintoís having  a round centering point for the rear end on the spring saddle, the 74-80 Pintoís have an oblong hole in the spring perch (see images).
I already knew that the 6 ĺ rear end  under Donkey wasnít the original one, because its tag read WGF-N, which would be a 74-76 rear end (but with 71-73 axles?), and it has the oblong hole, like my 8 inch.
Now, the previous axle swappers didnít see any point in adapting the perch hole to fit exactly to the 72 centering point, and it never was an issue. I guess that sideways the play is only 0.04 inch either way, which isnít worth looking at, and front and backwards, the positioning of the axle is more or less fixed by the U-bolts. Once tightened up I donít believe itís going anywhere.
What do you guys think?

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #73 on: June 25, 2017, 06:23:23 PM »
Cannot answer your question above.... but just an FYI - you cannot (should not) use the old U bolts.

Any spring shop can make you new ones.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2017, 04:06:40 PM »
Thanks Reeves, that was not on this little project's list, better find some new ones then!

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2017, 12:58:05 PM »
Better safe than sorry

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #76 on: June 28, 2017, 03:41:33 PM »
Very nice work Geert. I need to do that

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #77 on: July 02, 2017, 03:42:48 PM »
8 inch is finally under Donkey, and with some Italian 15 inch OZ superturismo wheels added itís back on the road. Adaptation for wheels gave some headache, but now Iíve got a wide choice in four bolt wheels with an ET of 27 to 28mm originally intended for primarily Peugeot vehicles. That 27 to 28mm ET is around the 1 inch mark, which is the standard ET for a 72 Pinto according to the Ford car shop manual.
 It meant custom milling on the inside of standard 25mm spacers  intended for Ford to fit on the 8 inch axles,  and adding a centering ring on the outside to compensate for  the slightly bigger center hole in the wheels intended for Peugeot.
Most important reason for taking this route is the low ET, most modern wheels have much higher ETís  and are not usable in this configuration.
Front wheel spacers  still have to be adapted (more milling) so at the moment the front is still running on stock steel.
So far Iím happy with this conversion, less play in driveline, less noise, feels more stable and better  diff ratio, 3.55 to 3.40.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2017, 02:57:53 PM »
Here are some pics of 15 inch OZ wheels all around on Donkey. I decided against using spacers on the front, just custom made a few hub centric rings with a 3D printer. Tires are 195/50 at the moment, but they are quite old, might go for a little taller in the future. If I go to 195/60, the circumference would be about the same as the 185/70/14 wheels on the Scorpio that donated its drivetrain, we'll see.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #79 on: September 14, 2017, 01:50:28 PM »
Iím disassembling my spare 1990 Pinto 2.0 EFI head, factory hardened valve seats, what a luxuryÖ
This one should got to an engine shop for cleaning and tune up, will be fitted with Kent cams FR34 injection cam, and will then replace Donkeyís 1985 EFI head.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #80 on: September 30, 2017, 11:14:19 AM »
My 90 2.0 head is back from the engine shop (in a week!) and it really looks good.
The engine shop owner even fitted new camshaft bearings, oil seal and better quality valve stem seals without extra charge.  He must have a weak spot for Pintoís, I found out he races them himself in Formula Ford competition.
Having this done by a professional is not cheap, but I donít think you can clean up a head like this at home without the proper experience and equipment.
Hope to be able to exchange this one with Donkeyís tired head in the near future.
Something I definitely overpaid on is a scrap yard Mustang II steering column and steering shaft, particularly because Iím probably only going to use it for measurement purposes, I intend to get rid of the 71 72 flexible steering shaft.
Iíve always had the idea that there is too much flex (not play, flex) in the steering, and now it feels worse with wider wheels and tires, and the somewhat wider track at the rear (spacers).
Iím not going over 85 mph at the moment because it just feels scary, like having a heavy  crosswind  when there is no wind at all. It also feels strange driving slowly on uneven surface.
Not so much trouble in a curve, but very noticeable in a (fast) straight line.
45 years and countless miles of service may of course be a lot to ask from a flex shaft.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #81 on: October 08, 2017, 12:18:23 PM »
Action shot of Donkey, hauling old iron to the scrappy, $ 0.08 per lbs, 290 lbs, small reward for cleaning out the garage.
Second pic is winter wheels, 15 inch steel  Peugeot wheels, offset about 1 inch, tires 195/65/15, circumference 1994mm/78,5 inches. . These wheels are very easy to find over here.
 I think this is about the tallest tire you can fit at the front without rubbing.
Whilst changing the wheels I found one of the reasons for the sloppy steering feel, left tie rod end is loose, better change that out (fast) before tackling the steering shaft.
When this issue is corrected Iíll go and find out if 5th speed will still pull a tire this tall.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #82 on: November 01, 2017, 04:02:32 PM »
Well, 85 mph in fifth (after fitting new tie rod end) with 195/65/15 is no problem,  even up a mild gradient, and there is still power left.
Now Donkey is back in the barn for head  and trans mount exchange.
85 head is a little tired, so I had my spare 90 head reconditioned and updated with Kent cams FR34 injection cam, should give more torque from 1000 rpm, not that it was lacking in that department, but a little extraÖ  You know.
Cylinder walls look fine to me, except for the rusty edge at the top, but Iím not doing anything to the block at this moment.
Head bolts were exchanged for ARP studs, later Pinto 2.0ís have one time use only stretch bolts, donít like that  idea.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2017, 12:42:01 PM »
Why are we seeing a different burn pattern on pistons 1 and 4 than 2 and 3? And why is there rust at the top of all cylinders?
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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #84 on: November 02, 2017, 03:11:32 PM »
Well  Dick, as you might remember, I  acquired this engine and T9 box in December 2014, packaged in a  roadworthy 85 Scorpio with about 120.000 miles on it, which is far too little for a 29 year old car.
Probably it was first owned by a German pensioner, and after that imported to The Netherlands, and it might have been standing for a long time before I bought it.
I ran it for about 500 miles to see how it went, took it over 100 mph in that time, then dismantled the Scorpio, and plonked the lot in Donkey without opening anything up.
It has been serving me faithfully to this day, so ďif it ainít broke, donít fix itĒ seems to be true in this case.
What you see is as new to  you as it was to me the day before when I took the head off.
Different burn pattern; might the flash light of taking the picture make it look that way, I hadnít noticed? Look at the spark plugs in the right order, nothing strange  there I think?
The coolant that I renewed in 2015 is completely rust brown, so will be changed again now, I think that also points to the engine having been standing  unused for long times before 2015.
Today I only had time to change the rubber mounted center piece of my adapted Scorpio trans mount, which is holding up  nicely. The rubber was almost eaten away (after 32 years), see through in some places, so I got a new one from Burtonís.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #85 on: November 04, 2017, 02:04:38 PM »
Plugs look good. What I was talking about was the different look of 1 and 4 in relation to 2 and 3 pistons. Most of the time all 4 pistons will look nearly the same if the engine is not totally wore out.
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« Reply #86 on: November 06, 2017, 01:23:35 PM »
Donkey's engine is all back together again, and with fresh head, cam, cam belt and coolant is running around as happy as ever. I haven't really tried yet, but it seems to have more pulling power from low rev's.
As it is now I hope to get through the winter and pass  road test (every two years) in March. Time to do some work in the house and think about what to tackle next (spring?). 

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #87 on: November 06, 2017, 01:38:26 PM »
I really think everything will work out ok. You seem to have a really good hold on your Pinto. Just keep up the good work next spring.
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