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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2015, 12:27:38 PM »
I forgot about a little something under the car, clutch cable!
I count myself lucky because the person who converted this car to an automatic somewhere in the past didn’t remove the clutch pedal and cable. Of course there was a small hitch, the hole for the clutch cable in the T9 bell housing was only 0.47 inch (12,5mm) and I needed 0.55 (14mm). This wouldn’t have been a big problem with the transmission on a bench, but now it was already in place.
No straight access with a drill or dremel, so I patiently spent a few hours on my back under the car with a rat tail file. After that it just was a question of hooking the cable in the clutch fork.
No trouble with crossmember clearance or anything.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2015, 01:26:35 PM »
Still looks factory too me 😀
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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2015, 02:53:05 PM »
Last week I’ve tested the electric fuel pump, it works!
After that I got the car of its stands and made a bracket for the L-jetronic AFM and air filter. There was no way that I could use the Scorpio airbox in the Pinto bay. I’ve read all about cold air intake but when I found a cone filter producer who actually said that during normal driving the airstream reduces the positive effect to near zero, and that one should keep the filter out of a water spray area, I decided to put it where the most room was.
The intake manifold in the Scorpio was already supported with a bracket on the engine mount. I replicated a similar construction and added the AFM support. Cone filter is a not to expensive part by German outfit raidhp, who also rather conveniently have a nice L-jetronic AFM to round cone filter adapter.
One minor issue, it’s one of those things we all run into all the time I think, you fab something, and then there is no room for the ECU connector to plug into the socket on the part you mounted…
Have to go make a ¾ inch spacer!
After this it’s all electrickery, now where is that Scorpio wiring loom.
One other thing, If anyone has got an extra early Pinto manual gear lever shift boot and mounting plate lying around please send me a pm, I’m missing those parts. 

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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #63 on: August 06, 2015, 02:40:57 PM »
One more mechanical  job, swap the throttle cable, and how easy can it be; I only had to get out the trusted rat tail file again and widen up the bulkhead hole to 0.71 inch (14mm) and hook up to the 72 pedal was just the same as with the 85 Scorpio.
On the manifold I found that the cable was to tight, it opened up the butterfly valve a little, but there is no way of adjusting the cable.
 I finally compressed the gold anodized spring contraption (it still has a little play left) at the manifold end of the cable and fitted a hose clamp behind the bracket, now the butterfly valve is fully closed.
I think the spring thing protects the cable against breaking when someone wants to push the pedal through the floor, have to be more careful then.
 I could always cut a coil or two from the spring to restore more of its function, but let’s first see if this works. 

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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #64 on: August 06, 2015, 03:41:40 PM »
Looks like your getting there , soon you will have it running , did you get that transmission mount I sent you to work , just like to know how close it was , later Blaine
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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #65 on: August 07, 2015, 08:37:01 AM »
Looks like your getting there , soon you will have it running , did you get that transmission mount I sent you to work , just like to know how close it was , later Blaine

There is a mount that works out of the box? I'm having to custom fab one for my EFI conversion.
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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #66 on: August 07, 2015, 03:36:41 PM »
This one he is using is a type "9" five speed gearbox , the mount that bolts to it fits the early pinto type "E" four speed gearbox , but the trans mount is a few inches back and he did not have a standard mount , so I sent him one , he took out a C-4 auto , now going efi five speed , looks nice ,
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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #67 on: August 07, 2015, 08:07:51 PM »
This one he is using is a type "9" five speed gearbox , the mount that bolts to it fits the early pinto type "E" four speed gearbox , but the trans mount is a few inches back and he did not have a standard mount , so I sent him one , he took out a C-4 auto , now going efi five speed , looks nice ,

Cool. I'm building one soon. Too many projects :(

The King is running though. Almost ready for the road!
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- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
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- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
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- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #68 on: August 08, 2015, 02:25:44 PM »
Blaine, I'll be honest, I haven't gotten around to fabbing your four speed mount to the type 9, it has the converted Scorpio mount under there for now. I know it may not withstand the original "cradle" mount set up,  but it will have to do for the moment. Still glad to have the original part here for backup or later install.
Right now I'm caught in a wiring loom web, and trying to get out before the spider sucks my brain dry.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #69 on: August 13, 2015, 02:42:21 PM »
Yep, it’s running. See the clip on
 The separate injection wiring loom from the Euro Scorpio 2.0 is an absolute doodle to install, it only takes two wires to make it run, black one to switched 12 volt (green/red wire close to ignition on steering column), and red/black wire to fuel pump, that’s it, just like Dominic Bolton said on his Escort to EFI conversion page.
No mistakes to make with connectors because they’re all different and only fit in one place.
I did manage to increase the difficulty somewhat by using the Scorpio starter motor which meant rewiring the solenoid as per instruction found on the net, and adding an electric fan.
The first few starts gave me a perfect priming pump, but no start, no click, nothing.  Investigation  (helped by my brother in law who knows how to use a multimeter) showed there was no starter signal to the solenoid, that’s odd, the original wiring had never been touched and it functioned before taking the motor out.
Then a eureka moment, I took out an automatic, the starter wire first goes to the automatic and doesn’t work unless the car is in neutral. I cut the red/blue wires at the connector and connected them directly, another try, and Vrooom (sort of).
Timing still has to be set correctly, exhaust is leaking, box is ordered to put ECU and relays in, etc., but most important is that it is alive.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #70 on: August 13, 2015, 05:04:49 PM »
Great that it kind of runs , soon you will have everything sorted out and a clean up after , I also changed the starter on my pinto with one off of a Ford Explorer but I got rid of the orgenal solenoid on top, , used a aircraft AN fuse holder and ran the wire to the starter ,spins the engine good, we all like to see the finale outcome , later , your friend in the USA
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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2015, 02:19:14 PM »
 A gas leak at the fuel rail was fixed by fastening a connection, ignition timing was set to 12 degrees BTDC with a new strobe light, and it runs all right.
The ECU, relays and surplus wiring loom are now all cozy together in this inner fender wall mounted box, still some loose and wrong colored wires around, but there’s no excuse for not doing a road test anymore.
Hood clearance for EFI was checked with the Play-Doh test, no problems here. Hood in place and no one will be the wiser about what’s under there.
Now it’s a question of choosing a good day to turn this thing 90 degrees around on it’s dollies, lifting it, get the dollies out of the way, push it outside, and try to get it into gear.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #72 on: August 23, 2015, 06:28:58 PM »
Great job , we all look forward to see how the new updated pinto engine compared to the old one , your mileage should be better than before, let us know when you do your test run and a few numbers , also I would take an extra 5 gallon of gas in case you run low , my fuel pump is kinda set up like yours and when it is less than a 1/4 tank it stumbles a lot , and when I make a hard left turn the fuel runs away from the pickup and it goes dead , and the thought of pulling off to the Side of the road which most have a huge angle to the right the pump will not pick up any fuel, hope this helps when you jump on the gas with the tank low and wonder why it falls on its face after , good luck and looking good , your friends in the USA
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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #73 on: August 30, 2015, 11:50:51 AM »
Well, my donkey is back on the road and is fully drivable.  So far no parts have fallen off.
It has a totally unstressed feel to it, and plenty of pickup.  It starts and idles good, It will do city traffic 30 mph in fourth without missing a beat, and I’ve had it up to 75 mph, which is already 20 mph more than the top speed in the former configuration, and there is lots of pedal left.
So this effectively ends project phase 2, in which I wanted to update the car to a more modern drive train to make it better usable in the 21st century. It is my only car (luckily my work is at bicycling distance) and  now can be used again for domestic duties, the grocery run, things like that.
Of course there is a lot of work that still has to be done, but phase 3 will have a more relaxed rolling resto  feel to it. No more pressure to get it moving before winter.
To do list: adjust valve clearance, renew brake oil (a constantly burning red light to remind you that you’re only running on one brake circuit doesn’t make you want to push the car to its limits), I’ve got no speedo now because the Scorpio’s T9 has an electronic sender, I’m using the nav for speed.
Fuel gauge is still not working OK, have to take a look at the instrument cluster voltage regulator.
Turn signal canceling lip to the right is broken, horn buttons  on steering wheel are broken, safety belts keep locking up.
I want a new exhaust sytem and the list goes on and on.
But for now, many many thanks to everyone (especially Blaine) for their help and interest in this project, the feeling that even silent viewers are looking over your shoulder makes you want to push on and get things done, and I’m happy with what I’ve achieved; theoretically 28% more horsepower, fuel injection, 5-speed, no weight gain, and all on a budget.
From being a youngster, I’ve always dreamt of doing an American “Hot-Rod” style engine conversion, and no matter how small, this was mine.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2015, 01:19:31 PM »
Congrats! I know how it feels to finally be back on the road. And doing all the work yourself should bring a prideful smirk to your face.
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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2015, 04:23:05 PM »
Great to see the car up in running , especially when it's in a far away country, love to see the looks on old American tourists when they see your pinto wagon driving down the street , priceless. If you know anyone that's going to or near New Orleans to be a tourist here let me know , got some goodies to send back to you ,and thanks for sharing your progress

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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2015, 07:38:45 PM »
Congratulation s on getting your Pinto back on the road.  Enjoy!


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Re: 72 DutchWagon project phase 2
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2015, 10:33:27 PM »
Glad to hear it's up and running, have fun with it..
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