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Title: 5spd. & T-5 Install/Swap Information
Post by: 77turbopinto on February 27, 2006, 11:32:28 AM
General info:

There have been many posts related to installing a 5spd in a Pinto. I am posting general information on this topic in hope to have people understand that just because you install an O/D gear (5th) does not mean you will be able to use it.

There are at least three reasons someone would want to do this swap: Better Mileage, Better Performance, A More Durable Tranny.

I have done two 5spd. swaps, but both of them wereT-5s into 2.3T EFI cars. This is not to say that it can’t be done with a stock ‘Pinto’ engines, or other 5spds, but MANY factors need to be addressed that I will discus.


Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: turbopinto72 on February 27, 2006, 02:18:29 PM
The Tranny mount uses the same mount only the hole needs to be elongated about 3/4" ( forward)to accept the Trans rubber biscuit stud to bolt to the mounting bracket.
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on April 06, 2006, 12:32:12 PM
I got the t-5 in last night.

TP72, I did something like that, but I used the T/C mount and slotted the holes on the top of the mount as well as the bracket. I also cut the exhaust hanger bracket to mount below the 'mount'.

I still need to wire the plug, and make a filler for the rear of the shifter hole. I found that if you turn the stock shifter boot 90*, the boot mount bolts will clear the tranny. To be able to use the stock boot after I modified the t/c shifter. At the bottom of the knob threads, the shaft gets bigger, so I used the grinder to remove that larger area below the threads and above the elbows. This will let the boot go down far enough to use, and look good. I nee to find my t/c knob as the into one will not fit on the t/c shifter.

The t-5 shifter was about 1" forward in the stock hole, but to make room for it to come through, I needed to cut the hole a little farther forward than that.

The pinto a/t speedo cable will fit into the t-5, but you need to use the t/5 gear. Also, a C4 or T-5 yoke will work, they seem to be the same.

I found it helpful to install the (d9) bell, then bolt the tranny to it.

Not much room in there, I never want to even try a c6.

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: TIGGER on April 06, 2006, 02:15:32 PM
FYI, I saw in one of my Mustang magazines that someone is making a adjustable shifter now.  I forget the brand, but this design allows you to compensate for the 1" difference.  It looked pretty trick.  I will dig thru my pile of magazines and see if I can find it.  I was thinking of looking into it anyway as my 73 has a t5 in it and I tend to have to lean forward to shift into 1st, 3rd, and 5th.  It is slightly uncomfortable for me where it is now. 
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on April 08, 2006, 08:24:21 AM
I installed the new carpet last night, I hate aftermarket ones with no pre-cut holes. I got it in ok, and was able to use a stock pinto shifter boot (I made a filler for the rear of the shifter hole). The interior is now all black and almost done. I still need to work on a few more details.

The 2.79's are still in the rear, and just by moving the car in the garage I can tell I need to swap them soon.

I have the underdash a/c-heater box from an a/c car to give me room for the turbo. The a/c controls are in the console, and the a/c console is 2" closer to the shifter than the non-a/c one. With the t-5 shifter further forward, I modified a non-a/c console to mount the a/c-heater controls. I could have just put them up in the center of the dash, but without the a/c, I like the extra vents.

Bill



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Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on April 09, 2006, 08:56:53 PM
Took the car out today, what a blast. Still need to change the rear gears, the 2.79's will not do. The good news is that in theory my top speed before the rev. limiter hits is about 200MPH!

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: earthquake on April 12, 2006, 11:00:40 AM
I have done the swap in my 80 wagon,It's almost a bolt in.On mine we used an svo trans.this uses the rear pull cable so you have to cut a notch in the crossmember and weld a piece of tubing cut in half lenghwise forming a channell for the cable to run through.this is the most diffucult part and it's simple.the next thing you need is the trans mount for the mustang,mines 86.This will bolt to the pinto crossmember its a perfect fit allmost as if it was planned.next you need the front yoke from the mustang and if your lucky a drive line from a 78 LTD with the auto,another perfect fit.plug in your speedo,wire in your backup light and thats about it your shiftin 5. as for the shifter it pops up through toe hole a little forward but you dont have to cut it,allthough the front 2 bolts on the shifter are fun. Hope this helps.Doc
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Gaslight on July 11, 2006, 07:53:50 AM
So reading this I should be able to bolt a Pinto 4 speed bellhousing from a 2.3 to a T5 and everything else hooks up just like normal then?  I just scored the 2.3 turbo T5 for my EFI conversion and I am getting the new clutch setup this week to bolt it all together.

Jake
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on July 11, 2006, 11:06:59 AM
My 79 Pinto had a D9 bell in it, as did an old Pinto Mini-Stocker I was given. I have seen posts that Pintos NEVER had the D9 bells from the factory, so I don't know what to tell you. I can say that the D9 bell fits the t-5, and it bolts from outside the bell.  If you have the bellcrank style bell it will work if you notch out a section of the crossmember.

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Gaslight on July 11, 2006, 11:11:29 AM
I have the cable pull style bell.  I was to understand this is the way my 74 would have came if it was a factory manual.  Its an automatic right now although all that is coming out for the SVO-T5 swap.

Jake
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: bigh4th on July 12, 2006, 11:42:45 AM
That D9 bell (1979) is most likely a part that was made for the then new 1979 fox body mustang.  May have been changed for clearance in the mustang and ford went with the new casting since it was cheaper than running another casting for a car they knew they were gonna phase out the next year.

I have also heard some of the earlier bells will fit a t5 if you have the center hole (for throwout bearing shaft) machined a little larger to fit the t5.  Theres a webpage for a fellow who I beleive is running a spitfire with a swapped in ford 2.8 v6.  Says he got a 4 spd mustang II bellhousing and machined the center hole a little larger and it was a perfect fit on the t5.

-Harry
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Gaslight on July 12, 2006, 11:54:30 AM
Harry,

  Thanks for the heads up.  I should be getting into this over the weekend and then I will find out.

Jake
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on July 15, 2006, 12:16:18 PM
...I have also heard some of the earlier bells will fit a t5 if you have the center hole (for throwout bearing shaft) machined a little larger to fit the t5.  Theres a webpage for a fellow who I beleive is running a spitfire with a swapped in ford 2.8 v6.  Says he got a 4 spd mustang II bellhousing and machined the center hole a little larger and it was a perfect fit on the t5.

-Harry

The bell bolts from the other side and from looking at both, the bolt pattern is different. This would require moving the holes and having to put them in almost PERFECT alignment. Much easier to notch the crossmember and use a very easy to find "bellcrank" bell.

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Gaslight on July 15, 2006, 12:34:45 PM
Well I can say as of right now since I just put the two together to verify it that a early 2.3 bell will not work with the T5.  The bell to transmission pattern is completely different as well as the bolt pattern for the early 2.3 bell to 2.3 turbo motor.  So forget the 4 speed 2.3 bell for that conversion.  I ended up just putting the bell crank bell on it.

Jake
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on July 15, 2006, 12:44:58 PM

...The bell to transmission pattern is completely different as well as the bolt pattern for the early 2.3 bell to 2.3 turbo motor... 


?

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Gaslight on July 15, 2006, 12:54:23 PM
?

Bill

?

Jake
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Gaslight on July 15, 2006, 01:10:48 PM
Does this help?

Jake
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Pintony on July 15, 2006, 05:15:39 PM
I give 1-UP for the bell-house photo.
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on July 15, 2006, 10:46:06 PM
Jake: My "?" was about the bell to engine bolt pattern part; I thought you were impling that it would not fit the 2.3T, not just pointing out the use of 2 different holes on the 2.3 block.

Good photo.

One side note on using the D9 bell; The upper right side tranny to engine bolt will not go in unless it is cut or you dent the firewall.

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Pintony on July 15, 2006, 11:25:49 PM
Jake: My "?" was about the bell to engine bolt pattern part; I thought you were impling that it would not fit the 2.3T, not just pointing out the use of 2 different holes on the 2.3 block.

Good photo.

[font=Verdana]One side note on using the D9 bell; The upper right side tranny to engine bolt will not go in unless it is cut or you dent the firewall.[/font]

Bill
Hey Bill,
 The T9 transmission works GREAT on the early Pinto. ;D
 It may be weak but it is the easy street to a 5th gear.
 The T9 and the Hummer is the same transmission case with a 5 gear pod added to the rear of the case.
From Pintony
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Gaslight on July 16, 2006, 08:06:32 AM
Well now I get your "?" reply.  The only thing I meant to say that the early bell would not bolt up to was the 5 speed trans not the engine.

Jake
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on July 16, 2006, 10:31:09 AM
Tony: That bolt would not go in on my car until I shortened it, even flexing the engine down, and I dropped my engine down a bit when I installed it. It is all in there now, but if I need to remove it, I will pull the tranny off the bell first.

A side note to the side note: I think that would be an issue with any bell using the upper holes.

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Gaslight on July 29, 2006, 07:56:54 AM
  I am in the middle of the 2.3 turbo 5 speed swap.  Thought I would share a few small details that I could not locate anywhere.  The flywheel to crank bolts are still available through Ford parts but not the clutch cover (pressure plate) to flywheel.  I am using a flywheel that came from an 88 turbo T-bird and I have been told they should be SAE but a few but this one is metric.  The 6 bolts needed are M8 X 1.25 X 16 mm long.  ARP shows not listing for this application but on Monday i will have a number from ARP that will allow this exact bolt to be ordered normal.  Hope this helps anyone else.

Jake
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on November 09, 2006, 06:04:50 AM
More info:

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=3177.0 (http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=3177.0)

Bill


http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=5682.0 (http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=5682.0)
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on March 01, 2007, 09:04:33 AM
More bell details.

From what I have found, all fox body stangs 83ish and later, and earlier T/C's use a 'bell crank' style arrangement on the fork. This can work for a Pinto with notching the crossmember. The early foxes (79-82ish) had a strait pull like the Mustang II with the B/W trannies. The 87/88 T/C's have a hyd. clutch and the bell and actuators will not work without MAJOR modifications to the car and parts.

Mustang II's used the B/W 4spd trannys, so a "D4" and "D5" bell are out there and will work on a T-5.

Also, the D9 bell that was in my donor car had a 'D5' arm installed. Yes, it will "work" but it is not correct (I will be swapping it out soon).

The D9 fork will not work with a stock Pinto cable without minor modifications because the "ball" at the tranny side of the Pinto cable is too small. The Pinto cable will fit the bell-crank style with no problems (I know this because I cut up a bell-crank one to modify my 'D9').


Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: lugnut on March 10, 2007, 09:48:58 PM
Hey Bill,
 The T9 transmission works GREAT on the early Pinto. ;D
 It may be weak but it is the easy street to a 5th gear.
 The T9 and the Hummer is the same transmission case with a 5 gear pod added to the rear of the case.
From Pintony

Whats a Hummer??  Is a T-9 what was used in the later '80's 2.3 Mustangs?
Also, I found a 1986 Turbo Coupe 5 speed that I am considering buying; What kind of trans and clutch setup would that car have?
mike
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on March 10, 2007, 10:36:09 PM
The Hummer is the name (maybe not by Ford) of the 4spd that was used by Ford in all the Pintos that had a M/T.

Like Tony said, the T-9 is basicly Hummer 4spd with an overdrive added to it, kind of like the B/W 4spds used in the Musang II's having the O/D added and it became the T-5.

The 86 T/C M/T cars came with the T-5, bell crank style bell, and a larger diameter clutch than a Pinto.

The T-5 is FAR better than a T-9, but if you don't (or the last owners) slam it around, the T-9 should be fine.

Use the clutch and flywheel for the bell and fork that you use. If you don't, you might need to work on the pivit for the fork.

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on March 23, 2007, 07:48:31 AM
As I mentioned in a TurboFord thread, I had used a D5 fork in a D9 bell. I have swapped it out and it operates much better.

Due to my use of the stock Pinto shifter boot, I needed to remove the carpet to pull the shifter off when I dropped the tranny. While I had it out, I made a modification to the shifter handle. Now, it is in a better location and will not put the stress on the Pinto boot. I will get a photo of it fully installed.

Sorry for the bad photo.

Please note the section that was removed from the handle is between the stock and modified parts, and that the collar below the threaded area has been re-worked too, to let the boot slide further down. I did not cut the threaded area, so I have a small section of fuel hose to take up the short space between the knob and boot.
 
Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Pangra74 on August 02, 2007, 07:56:28 PM
The bell bolts from the other side and from looking at both, the bolt pattern is different. This would require moving the holes and having to put them in almost PERFECT alignment. Much easier to notch the crossmember and use a very easy to find "bellcrank" bell.

Bill

I just finished my T5 swap into a 74 runabout. I used the bellcrank style bellhousing, shortened the driveshaft by 1-3/8". There is no need to cut a notch in the crossmember. I simply made a new bracket above the existing cable hole in the bellhousing, bent it at a slight angle so the cable lines up to the attachment point on the bellcrank. Works just fine, no binding. I used a clutch from a 92 Mustang and drilled new holes in the crossmember for the 92 Mustang tranny mount.
You can see pics at www.musicbythe bay.com/pinto

Joe (Pangra74)
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Pangra74 on August 02, 2007, 08:01:46 PM
I have done the swap in my 80 wagon,It's almost a bolt in.On mine we used an svo trans.this uses the rear pull cable so you have to cut a notch in the crossmember and weld a piece of tubing cut in half lenghwise forming a channell for the cable to run through.this is the most diffucult part and it's simple.the next thing you need is the trans mount for the mustang,mines 86.This will bolt to the pinto crossmember its a perfect fit allmost as if it was planned.next you need the front yoke from the mustang and if your lucky a drive line from a 78 LTD with the auto,another perfect fit.plug in your speedo,wire in your backup light and thats about it your shiftin 5. as for the shifter it pops up through toe hole a little forward but you dont have to cut it,allthough the front 2 bolts on the shifter are fun. Hope this helps.Doc



I just finished my T5 swap into a 74 runabout. I used the bellcrank style bellhousing, shortened the driveshaft by 1-3/8". There is no need to cut a notch in the crossmember. I simply made a new bracket above the existing cable hole in the bellhousing, bent it at a slight angle so the cable lines up to the attachment point on the bellcrank. Works just fine, no binding. I used a clutch from a 92 Mustang and drilled new holes in the crossmember for the 92 Mustang tranny mount.
You can see pics at www.musicbythe bay.com/pinto

Joe (Pangra74)
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: UltimatePinto on August 03, 2007, 11:27:30 AM
Here is some pics of my crossmember notch for my 73 Runabout.

The top of the crossmember is only fourteen gauge sheet metal so it's not hard to cut.

The piece installed is a section of 3/8' wall, 4" square tube, which is about twenty times thick than needed. i just think that might makes right. I drilled holes into the bottom of the tube piece to plug weld it to the existing crossmember, using c - clamps to make sure it was firmly attached.

Not all that hard of a project.

Al
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: UltimatePinto on August 03, 2007, 11:29:05 AM
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Post by: UltimatePinto on August 03, 2007, 11:29:49 AM
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Post by: Pintony on August 03, 2007, 06:45:30 PM
Hello UltimatePinto,
 What the heck did youi do all that work for???
 The clutch cable works fine on the early Pinto W/O the notch./
 From Pintony
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on August 03, 2007, 09:20:50 PM
Tony, he put the T-5 behind a 2.0 with a modified T/C bellcrank style bell. That bell has the cable attach point MUCH lower than the direct-pull (B/W) D4 or D9 bell.

BTW: I have been to his shop, kool stuff...

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: UltimatePinto on August 04, 2007, 12:07:38 AM
I modified the bell housing to completely fit my two liter.  As I recall the original 2.3 bell's top two bolts were higher and more narrow than the 2.0.

I used a bare block 2.0, a die grinder with a cutting wheel, a sawzall, and some aluminum flat bar to do the job.  This along with an attachment for my wire feed welder to do aluminum. I bolted the unit to the block so it wouldn't shift or warp and welded away.

 The only other issue was the dowel pins that located the bell to the block. I believe the 2.3 pins are 1/2" OD ? ?  The 2.0 pins are smaller and metric if I remember right. Had a friend turn some bronze stock at work the alloy of which was made for these kinds of applications.

After all was said and done, the cable did hit the crossmember enough to make it necessary to do the notch. Yes it was a lot of work, but I would gladly do it all over again just to have the T-5 in my Runabout. I had it on the road for a little while with a stock engine and just loved it ! ! ! !

I have to do some engine pics for another thread, will pick out the bellhousing and post on this one while I'm at it.

Al

Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Pintony on August 04, 2007, 02:11:31 AM
I'm sorry Al...
You did all that work for nothing I have the T-5 in my Purple Pinto and I have not notched the crossmember.
I installed my T5 in 1995 Probally the first T-5 in a Pinto???
 I did not cut the cross member. I did modify the bell house to fit the 2.0.
 Bill straightened me out on the rear tranny mount, as I had mine modified too much and he showed me an easyer way. Thanks Bill.
 From Pintony
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: UltimatePinto on August 04, 2007, 06:27:31 AM
I first started on my install about four or five years ago. At the time I was unaware of other options, ( hydraulic, cable, bellhousings and trannys ), that were out there to work with. I was given a T - 5 that I was told came out of a Mustang converted to a Mini Stock race car by a driver from a local circle track that needed four speeds.

When I got it home, the bellhousing Lo & Behold, fit my 2.0, well almost. So that's where all of the work mentioned above came from.

Now I used a stock auto tranny mount from a 75 Sedan and elongated the holes as mentioned above, and it fit just right. If that were not enough, the drive shaft from the same vehicle also fit, stem to stern, as it were made for the application, 2.0, T - 5, and an eight inch rear.

At this point I was quite pleased with myself until I tried the clutch cable. Not only did it hit the crossmember, but it was a tad short. I took the cable to a local marina and they added a few inches to the cable. I also purchased a longer throwout bearing from Walsh I think. It made the cable adjustment easier.

Anyway, here's what i came up with for my bell mod.

Al

Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: UltimatePinto on August 04, 2007, 06:28:14 AM
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Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: hellfirejim on August 19, 2007, 08:52:48 PM
Ultimatepinto, Your pictures are not showing up.  That's a shame cause i rreally wanted to see what you did.
jim
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: UltimatePinto on August 20, 2007, 11:58:48 PM
Something is going on with the site. It shows uo in the old format on my PC. Have heard others say they can't log on. I suppose that's why the pics aren't showing up.

What were you interested in ?  The crossmember surgery or the bellhousing mod.

I'll try to post the pics again.

Al
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: hellfirejim on August 21, 2007, 07:11:59 AM
Actually both as I have a 75 4spd and I know I am going 5 spd when I can.  Any information to smooth the process would be appreciated.

I think the change over has affected some of the links and on my puter it shows up in the new style.  Have you refreshed your computer once you get on site?

jim
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on August 21, 2007, 07:51:25 AM
Jim, Al did those mod.s to the bell because he is putting it on a 2.0.

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: hellfirejim on August 21, 2007, 10:38:07 AM
Bill,
Thanks I wasn't aware of that.
jim
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on August 21, 2007, 12:25:16 PM
He used the bell-crank bell. If you use the (hard to find) D4 or D9 B/W direct pull bells, you won't have to worry about the crossmember.

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: hellfirejim on August 22, 2007, 07:55:26 AM
Cool, thanks.  I am seriously looking at that T-45 conversion with the 5.0 clutch setup and the SFI bellhousing.   Not there just yet but it doesn't hurt to think ahead.

Thanks for the good advice.

jim
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: pintoguy76 on December 04, 2007, 10:28:10 PM
The Hummer is the name (maybe not by Ford) of the 4spd that was used by Ford in all the Pintos that had a M/T.

Like Tony said, the T-9 is basicly Hummer 4spd with an overdrive added to it, kind of like the B/W 4spds used in the Musang II's having the O/D added and it became the T-5.

The 86 T/C M/T cars came with the T-5, bell crank style bell, and a larger diameter clutch than a Pinto.

The T-5 is FAR better than a T-9, but if you don't (or the last owners) slam it around, the T-9 should be fine.

Use the clutch and flywheel for the bell and fork that you use. If you don't, you might need to work on the pivit for the fork.

Bill

Is it called a hummer because of all the freggin noise it makes? The one in my 74 makes alot of noise. Moreso than the one in my 76.  My 79 is auto, curious to see how much quieter it is. Is the T5 quieter than the pinto 4spds?
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Post by: Pintony on December 05, 2007, 08:51:02 AM
Only in 5th gear!!!
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on December 05, 2007, 11:45:17 AM
Another link with more good T-5 info.

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,8520.msg50977.html#msg50977 (http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,8520.msg50977.html#msg50977)


Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: turbopinto72 on January 24, 2008, 06:47:47 PM
This link will show you some trick stuff. You can install the V8 Bell housing, flywheel pressure plate.

http://rothfam.com/svo/belladapter/
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Pangra74 on February 10, 2008, 01:07:04 PM
Is that a rear sump oil pan? I didn't think there was enough room for one, or did you modify the crossmember?

Joe
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on February 10, 2008, 09:42:39 PM
Is that a rear sump oil pan? I didn't think there was enough room for one, or did you modify the crossmember?

Joe

IIRC: I think that link shows a Merkur.

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on April 01, 2008, 07:48:20 AM
I am in the process of installing a 2.3T and T-5 in my Bobcat.

Someone has posted photos of what they did to avoid notching the crossmember with the use of a bellcrank bell (if I find them I will post a link). That person used a bracket that bolted to the cable hole in the bell. I wanted to do something with the bracket that the 2.3T has that connects the bottom of the bell to the left lower part of the block; I welded a bracket I made to that. I will post some photos soon.


Bill
Title: New clutch cable questions
Post by: gearhead440 on April 30, 2008, 07:52:10 AM
I am in the process of installing a T5 into my 80 Pinto and was pondering the installtion of a new Mustang clutch cable.  Since mine is now 28 years old  :surprised: and I want to drive it for several more years, it would probably be prudent to install a new cable.  Any thoughts or experiences would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: Pintony on April 30, 2008, 09:31:16 AM
I have never had a Pinto clutch cable fail.
 BUT anything is possible!!!!
 If you keep them lubed-up they last forever...
 From Pintony
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: dholvrsn on May 03, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
I'm wondering if a regular drive shaft will work with the T-5 or if you need one with that special dampener disk on the front knuckle?
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on May 04, 2008, 06:28:34 AM
I'm wondering if a regular drive shaft will work with the T-5 or if you need one with that special dampener disk on the front knuckle?

I have used both with, and without the dampner and have had no problems with either.

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: dholvrsn on May 13, 2008, 05:08:15 PM
I'm interested in finding out more about the cross-member surgery.

I took my Pinto apart today. The measurement from the front of the bell to the eye center of the rear mount of the old C-4 (I think it's a C-4, there are 13 bolts on the pan) is 20-3/4".

The measurement from the front of the front of the T-5 bell to the center of the rear mount eyes is 22".

I'm confused. It sounds like I'll be hacking the cross member to move the holes 1.25" backwards. As opposed to moving them 3/4" inch forwards as mentioned earlier in this FAQ. Yikes! Help!
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: 77turbopinto on May 13, 2008, 05:26:59 PM
.....I think it's a C-4, there are 13 bolts on the pan.....

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,5548.msg33496.html#msg33496 (http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,5548.msg33496.html#msg33496)

As far as the slotting of the mount braket, it would depend on what mount you plan to use. IIRC the bracket needs to be spun 180* to clear the back of the tranny, and that will take up most of the extra room needed.

Bill
Title: Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
Post by: dholvrsn on May 18, 2008, 02:24:00 PM
So how many of these factory tranny mounts were there?