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Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2007, 11:27:30 AM »
Here is some pics of my crossmember notch for my 73 Runabout.

The top of the crossmember is only fourteen gauge sheet metal so it's not hard to cut.

The piece installed is a section of 3/8' wall, 4" square tube, which is about twenty times thick than needed. i just think that might makes right. I drilled holes into the bottom of the tube piece to plug weld it to the existing crossmember, using c - clamps to make sure it was firmly attached.

Not all that hard of a project.

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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2007, 11:29:05 AM »
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Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2007, 11:29:49 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2007, 06:45:30 PM »
Hello UltimatePinto,
 What the heck did youi do all that work for???
 The clutch cable works fine on the early Pinto W/O the notch./
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Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2007, 09:20:50 PM »
Tony, he put the T-5 behind a 2.0 with a modified T/C bellcrank style bell. That bell has the cable attach point MUCH lower than the direct-pull (B/W) D4 or D9 bell.

BTW: I have been to his shop, kool stuff...

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Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2007, 12:07:38 AM »
I modified the bell housing to completely fit my two liter.  As I recall the original 2.3 bell's top two bolts were higher and more narrow than the 2.0.

I used a bare block 2.0, a die grinder with a cutting wheel, a sawzall, and some aluminum flat bar to do the job.  This along with an attachment for my wire feed welder to do aluminum. I bolted the unit to the block so it wouldn't shift or warp and welded away.

 The only other issue was the dowel pins that located the bell to the block. I believe the 2.3 pins are 1/2" OD ? ?  The 2.0 pins are smaller and metric if I remember right. Had a friend turn some bronze stock at work the alloy of which was made for these kinds of applications.

After all was said and done, the cable did hit the crossmember enough to make it necessary to do the notch. Yes it was a lot of work, but I would gladly do it all over again just to have the T-5 in my Runabout. I had it on the road for a little while with a stock engine and just loved it ! ! ! !

I have to do some engine pics for another thread, will pick out the bellhousing and post on this one while I'm at it.

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« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2007, 02:11:31 AM »
I'm sorry Al...
You did all that work for nothing I have the T-5 in my Purple Pinto and I have not notched the crossmember.
I installed my T5 in 1995 Probally the first T-5 in a Pinto???
 I did not cut the cross member. I did modify the bell house to fit the 2.0.
 Bill straightened me out on the rear tranny mount, as I had mine modified too much and he showed me an easyer way. Thanks Bill.
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Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2007, 06:27:31 AM »
I first started on my install about four or five years ago. At the time I was unaware of other options, ( hydraulic, cable, bellhousings and trannys ), that were out there to work with. I was given a T - 5 that I was told came out of a Mustang converted to a Mini Stock race car by a driver from a local circle track that needed four speeds.

When I got it home, the bellhousing Lo & Behold, fit my 2.0, well almost. So that's where all of the work mentioned above came from.

Now I used a stock auto tranny mount from a 75 Sedan and elongated the holes as mentioned above, and it fit just right. If that were not enough, the drive shaft from the same vehicle also fit, stem to stern, as it were made for the application, 2.0, T - 5, and an eight inch rear.

At this point I was quite pleased with myself until I tried the clutch cable. Not only did it hit the crossmember, but it was a tad short. I took the cable to a local marina and they added a few inches to the cable. I also purchased a longer throwout bearing from Walsh I think. It made the cable adjustment easier.

Anyway, here's what i came up with for my bell mod.

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Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2007, 08:52:48 PM »
Ultimatepinto, Your pictures are not showing up.  That's a shame cause i rreally wanted to see what you did.
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« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2007, 11:58:48 PM »
Something is going on with the site. It shows uo in the old format on my PC. Have heard others say they can't log on. I suppose that's why the pics aren't showing up.

What were you interested in ?  The crossmember surgery or the bellhousing mod.

I'll try to post the pics again.

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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2007, 07:11:59 AM »
Actually both as I have a 75 4spd and I know I am going 5 spd when I can.  Any information to smooth the process would be appreciated.

I think the change over has affected some of the links and on my puter it shows up in the new style.  Have you refreshed your computer once you get on site?

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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2007, 07:51:25 AM »
Jim, Al did those mod.s to the bell because he is putting it on a 2.0.

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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2007, 10:38:07 AM »
Bill,
Thanks I wasn't aware of that.
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Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2007, 12:25:16 PM »
He used the bell-crank bell. If you use the (hard to find) D4 or D9 B/W direct pull bells, you won't have to worry about the crossmember.

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« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2007, 07:55:26 AM »
Cool, thanks.  I am seriously looking at that T-45 conversion with the 5.0 clutch setup and the SFI bellhousing.   Not there just yet but it doesn't hurt to think ahead.

Thanks for the good advice.

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Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2007, 10:28:10 PM »
The Hummer is the name (maybe not by Ford) of the 4spd that was used by Ford in all the Pintos that had a M/T.

Like Tony said, the T-9 is basicly Hummer 4spd with an overdrive added to it, kind of like the B/W 4spds used in the Musang II's having the O/D added and it became the T-5.

The 86 T/C M/T cars came with the T-5, bell crank style bell, and a larger diameter clutch than a Pinto.

The T-5 is FAR better than a T-9, but if you don't (or the last owners) slam it around, the T-9 should be fine.

Use the clutch and flywheel for the bell and fork that you use. If you don't, you might need to work on the pivit for the fork.

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« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2007, 08:51:02 AM »
Only in 5th gear!!!

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« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2008, 06:47:47 PM »
This link will show you some trick stuff. You can install the V8 Bell housing, flywheel pressure plate.

http://rothfam.com/svo/belladapter/
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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2008, 01:07:04 PM »
Is that a rear sump oil pan? I didn't think there was enough room for one, or did you modify the crossmember?

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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2008, 09:42:39 PM »
Is that a rear sump oil pan? I didn't think there was enough room for one, or did you modify the crossmember?

Joe

IIRC: I think that link shows a Merkur.

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« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2008, 07:48:20 AM »
I am in the process of installing a 2.3T and T-5 in my Bobcat.

Someone has posted photos of what they did to avoid notching the crossmember with the use of a bellcrank bell (if I find them I will post a link). That person used a bracket that bolted to the cable hole in the bell. I wanted to do something with the bracket that the 2.3T has that connects the bottom of the bell to the left lower part of the block; I welded a bracket I made to that. I will post some photos soon.


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« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2008, 07:52:10 AM »
I am in the process of installing a T5 into my 80 Pinto and was pondering the installtion of a new Mustang clutch cable.  Since mine is now 28 years old  :surprised: and I want to drive it for several more years, it would probably be prudent to install a new cable.  Any thoughts or experiences would be greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2008, 09:31:16 AM »
I have never had a Pinto clutch cable fail.
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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2008, 04:06:40 PM »
I'm wondering if a regular drive shaft will work with the T-5 or if you need one with that special dampener disk on the front knuckle?
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« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2008, 06:28:34 AM »
I'm wondering if a regular drive shaft will work with the T-5 or if you need one with that special dampener disk on the front knuckle?

I have used both with, and without the dampner and have had no problems with either.

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« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2008, 05:08:15 PM »
I'm interested in finding out more about the cross-member surgery.

I took my Pinto apart today. The measurement from the front of the bell to the eye center of the rear mount of the old C-4 (I think it's a C-4, there are 13 bolts on the pan) is 20-3/4".

The measurement from the front of the front of the T-5 bell to the center of the rear mount eyes is 22".

I'm confused. It sounds like I'll be hacking the cross member to move the holes 1.25" backwards. As opposed to moving them 3/4" inch forwards as mentioned earlier in this FAQ. Yikes! Help!
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Re: T-5 5spd. Install/Swap Information.
« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2008, 05:26:59 PM »
.....I think it's a C-4, there are 13 bolts on the pan.....

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,5548.msg33496.html#msg33496

As far as the slotting of the mount braket, it would depend on what mount you plan to use. IIRC the bracket needs to be spun 180* to clear the back of the tranny, and that will take up most of the extra room needed.

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