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Offline 65ShelbyClone

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Re: My 1972 turbo swap thread
« Reply #210 on: December 05, 2016, 08:50:43 PM »
Glad you found so much clearance. I can't imaging you have the engine any lower than mine. With the stock starter it hits the steering rack hold down bolt with the slightest throttle application.


"So much" clearance...th at's funny.  ;) There's still hardly any clearance anywhere. I had to cheat the radius on the new upper intake so the flange wouldn't hit the hood. It may still require a torque strap to keep the engine from hitting under acceleration.

Another obstacle is finding room for a front-mount intercooler. The Spearco one I got long ago is going to be tough to fit, so it's looking like a modified TurboCoupe IC might fit on the passenger side without tearing out the stock hood latch and grille support.

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So, I've searched Pick Your Part for years for a decent white hood (want to keep the original color and patina). I've wanted one as a replacement since I cut the air inlet for the factory intercooler.  Never found one. And yet here you are with a green car and - a white hood. Why does it always work out that way???


Funny you mention that. I still have the original green hood. I got the white one on a parts car and planned to use hood pins and cut it for a bubble/cowl/scoop to clear the intake, but decided not to(it was hard to find!). It's for a '77 anyway and doesn't have the right latch for my '72 hence the hood pins.

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Glad to see the project moving forward even if slowly. Too often they die into obscurity.

Thanks. I figure I'll post updates as long as the car is "project" status which appears to be indefinitely at this rate.  :o


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'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

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Re: My 1972 turbo swap thread
« Reply #211 on: December 08, 2016, 12:03:54 PM »
I noticed right off as early hoods have ford on the drivers side corner and not in middle.  I bet hardly anybody would pick that out at a car show though. 

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Re: My 1972 turbo swap thread
« Reply #212 on: December 31, 2016, 10:17:42 PM »
The second update in a single month and it's the last one of the year.

Decided to postpone fitting an intercooler in lieu of getting the car running.


The blow off valve is going to fit between the valve cover and intake.


The intake is fully welded now. Part of it even looks like I can pretend to weld.


I was toying with the idea of a front-mounted Turbo Coupe IC. Might actually get another and fit one on each side of the hood latch bracket...with different tanks of course.


Ran out yesterday an bought another used intercooler because it was local and cheap.


It would require a shoehorn and cussing to fit in the Pinto though. It's possible without cutting the car, but just barely and I'm not sure I'll go to the trouble.


Hopefully it will be buttoned up and running tomorrow. Lots of welding to do on those pie cut bends...
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'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

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Re: My 1972 turbo swap thread
« Reply #213 on: January 07, 2017, 11:12:35 PM »
Didn't get finished last week partly because of not having the right selection of hoses for plumbing the new vacuum and breather lines. Got some of that and then decided I'd rather not remove the TPS sensor from the original Throttle body in case I need to put the intake back on for whatever reason. Got another '86 TPS sensor in today and slotted the holes for adjustment.

Then I discovered that the 4.6L throttle body I've built all this around had a wider TPS bolt spacing than the '86.  >:(

The key word is "had." I thought I was dead in the water for another week or two, but fortunately there was enough space to move the bolt holes with some heavy thread inserts. Barely.





Also got some goodies I have to show off.  ;D



Now I can more safely build and use a longer shift arm as the Pro 5.0 Power Tower has adjustable stops. Years ago I had an '89 Mustang GT and put a similar B&M shifter on it. IMO, it's one of the best ways to improve the driving experience of a T5. Even the guy I sold the car to was impressed.



Not obvious from the picture is that those are 95lb injectors. They'll easily supply about 500bhp on gas. Figured this way I only had to buy them once.
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Re: My 1972 turbo swap thread
« Reply #214 on: January 28, 2017, 11:00:50 PM »
As of 5:48pm PST, it's back and running with the redone intake and charge plumbing. Not sure I like the abrupt throttle response of the non-progressive 65mm TB, but I was wearing boots and the cable needs some adjustment, so maybe it can be fine-tuned.

The blow off valve is a little slow to respond at very low boost and slow roll-offs even with my efforts to reduce the spring force, but it seems to be alright at moderate boost and higher. It's also surprisingly loud.  :o  Not what I was after, but that's OK because it will add to the sleeper surprise factor.  8)


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Re: My 1972 turbo swap thread
« Reply #215 on: January 29, 2017, 06:15:29 AM »
Looks great.
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Re: My 1972 turbo swap thread
« Reply #216 on: February 20, 2017, 02:57:18 PM »
You have done a great job on this build and an even better job documenting it! I have an 88 donor and a 73 wagon that I hope to breed in the future. I will definitely be looking back at this thread throughout the pain-staking process. I'm still gathering the basic mechanical parts needed at this point. Do you know anyone that may have 2.3 frame mounts or an oil pan?

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Re: My 1972 turbo swap thread
« Reply #217 on: February 21, 2017, 11:08:31 AM »
I must agree. 65SC has done a great job of documenting and keeping us up to date on his project. Being this car was only sold about 8 miles from me I had at one time contemplated getting myself a second Pinto. I never did get over there to see it, but because of the "closeness" (shall we say) of my having considering this very car I was pleasantly surprised to see what became of it.

Not to steal any of 65SC's thunder, I thought I'd mention that I also did a '73 wagon with a '88 donor TC.  I have a two part write up about it (sorry no pictures). The link to the second part is at the end of the first part. Hope you can find something helpful. http://www.fordpinto.com/general-pinto-talk/so-you-want-to-build-a-turbo-pinto-part-1/msg76893/#msg76893  For reference 65SC's project is more advanced than mine. I kept everything basically stock in the switch over.

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Re: My 1972 turbo swap thread
« Reply #218 on: February 21, 2017, 06:46:24 PM »
Excellent project summary Tom! I have read it many times over the past couple years because I have a 73 wagon and an 88 SC up here in Norcal. I parked them close together hoping that they would crossbreed naturally but no luck so far. LOL! I have recently read 65SC detailed build thread as well and the two compliment each other nicely. He has done a great job of documenting the build step by step! I'm still collecting a few more parts before I begin the long process of making these cars one and run again.
Thank you both for your time and effort to help the rest of us out with our projects!

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« Reply #219 on: February 21, 2017, 07:30:42 PM »
All the best to you.  I believe (if I'm correct) both 65SC and I had our engines in/out seven times before we would commit to welding in the motor mounts!  The '88 wire harness is a mess.  I spent days sorting out what I didn't need and still had about 20 "I'm not sure" wires.  I think he runs a different control system and maybe wired it himself???  His build is a good one to follow. He is very straightforwar d and will state what did and didn't work.

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Re: My 1972 turbo swap thread
« Reply #220 on: February 21, 2017, 07:52:09 PM »
I'm really leaning towards one of the premade harnesses to simplify the process. I plan to contact the mfr. before the purchase. Big Timmay posted their contact info on a thread. They may be able to customize a harness just for my application even further.

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Re: My 1972 turbo swap thread
« Reply #221 on: February 25, 2017, 02:32:39 PM »
I thought I would pop in since there's been some activity.

Not a lot to report on the project. It's been a very rough month for me and a lot of people I know. The Pinto has been mostly neglected (but not forgotten!).

After I got everything back together and some shakedown runs done, it felt like it nosed-over more on the top end. It's always smelled rich, but it seemed worse, so I checked the fuel pressure and it's about 10psi too high according to the rail gauge. The regulator seems to be working, just at 10psi above correct. I'm going to try a different gauge first, then see whether the return line is causing a restriction. If it is, I have a coil of 3/8" brake line and -6 AN fittings that will get strung as a new feed line while the current 5/16 one will become the new larger return leg.

You have done a great job on this build and an even better job documenting it! I have an 88 donor and a 73 wagon that I hope to breed in the future. I will definitely be looking back at this thread throughout the pain-staking process. I'm still gathering the basic mechanical parts needed at this point. Do you know anyone that may have 2.3 frame mounts or an oil pan?

Thanks!

The 2.3 mounts and oil pan were probably the most difficult parts for me to find. The pans pop up on fleaBait once in a while and you might find the mounts on the classifieds here. I was preparing to build some frame mounts and use the stock 'Bird engine brackets with universal isolators when a member here offered a whole Pinto set for trade.

I stumbled upon the C-Line seven-quart pan on my engine. Now that I have it for reference and a nice TIG welder, I might try making my own from the rear-sump Thunderbird pan. That's actually what C-Line did to begin with.

I must agree. 65SC has done a great job of documenting and keeping us up to date on his project. Being this car was only sold about 8 miles from me I had at one time contemplated getting myself a second Pinto. I never did get over there to see it, but because of the "closeness" (shall we say) of my having considering this very car I was pleasantly surprised to see what became of it.

Not to steal any of 65SC's thunder, I thought I'd mention that I also did a '73 wagon with a '88 donor TC.  I have a two part write up about it (sorry no pictures). The link to the second part is at the end of the first part. Hope you can find something helpful. http://www.fordpinto.com/general-pinto-talk/so-you-want-to-build-a-turbo-pinto-part-1/msg76893/#msg76893  For reference 65SC's project is more advanced than mine. I kept everything basically stock in the switch over.

Thanks! Post away; it helps record and archive all that hard-learned information.

All the best to you.  I believe (if I'm correct) both 65SC and I had our engines in/out seven times before we would commit to welding in the motor mounts!  The '88 wire harness is a mess.  I spent days sorting out what I didn't need and still had about 20 "I'm not sure" wires.  I think he runs a different control system and maybe wired it himself???  His build is a good one to follow. He is very straightforwar d and will state what did and didn't work.

I think the engine came out closer to a dozen times. Yeah, the EFI is a MegaSquirt-II  and the harness was completely disassembled, shortened, and reassembled for it. My '86 harness wasn't as integrated as an '87-88 harness, but the result still wasn't really worth the effort IMO. It only served the purpose of reducing cost. Next time I'll probably shell out on new parts and wire it like a rally car or trophy truck with threaded metal connectors. At the very least I plan to use them for bulkheads going through the firewall.
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'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.