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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2011, 09:50:26 AM »
tire/ wheel combo looks correct from here.

doesn't match what is pictured here http://www.cookieboystoys.com/vintage%20pinto/pangra.htm
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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2011, 10:25:48 AM »
the tread pattern and even wheels changed over a period of time. A couple of cars had Ronal Wheels and mitchelins. Pick was from one of the early cars for marketing and sales. Of course local dealer could have sourced "similar" combo from local performace chain. As long as they had spec's right it wouldn't be a deal breaker to subsitute a "like" brand. I do see the difference in tread from one to the other from the pictures.

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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2011, 08:16:58 PM »
I would have to take out a loan... at 14mpg... gonna be a big loan  :o
put  a high gear in the rear and cruise on out at 100mph
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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #63 on: November 30, 2011, 09:24:13 PM »
put  a high gear in the rear and cruise on out at 100mph

has 411s and a t5 but with about 400hp at the crank ain't much you can do about the gas milage I suppose  ;)
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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2011, 10:49:19 PM »
As for the different type of wheels on certain cars, we had a couple sets of the Ronal true magnesium wheels on Pangras at one time. They looked a lot like the wheels on this '65 Shelby R model we were putting back together and painting after a bad crash. This would give you an idea of the style, if found THESE are very rare. We didn't standardize on them form Pangra as we couldn't get them balanced properly to stop bump steer and steering wheel shake at 80 to 100 mph, so went back to the slots.

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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2011, 11:30:36 PM »
has 411s and a t5 but with about 400hp at the crank ain't much you can do about the gas milage I suppose  ;)

Sure there is Run a 3.73 rear gear or even a 3.55 and ditch the high compression carb motor for Low compression EFI motor and a turbo. LOL Then it could be 400Hp at the rear wheels quite easily and 18-20 MPG. ;D Plus then it could be the big brother to its orginal Ak miller setup! LOL
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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #66 on: December 01, 2011, 08:16:30 AM »
Plus then it could be the big brother to its orginal Ak miller setup!

I have the original 2.0L turbo motor for it, if I were to swap that would be the motor to go back in :)
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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2011, 05:12:46 PM »
Hey George, got the Marti report and it says... special ordered and sold by...
 
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ELK GROVE VILLAGE IL 60007
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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #68 on: December 02, 2011, 08:14:30 PM »
WOW, Elkgrove sounds REAL familiar. I remember a guy from Elkgrove Village (?), took him out for wine/dine at a local club when he was out discussing "dealer" status, the reason I remember the Elkgrove part is 'cause the guy looked like he should be hunting Elk, flannell shirt, big red haired guy and MAN did he like to drink. Pre drinks i took him out on the 210 fwy in the Black Demo car and showed him the high side of 100 mph. Wish we still had some documentation to prove he was legit.

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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2011, 09:42:53 PM »
check out this video, look familiar?
 
http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/index.php?c=2798
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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2011, 10:27:59 PM »
ya know.......... that could have been the guy, would have to be, can't think of anyone else out in the area 'cause that guy wanted to have a "protected" Distribution area. All he wanted to do after the Demo ride was drink and look at the bar maids at the 100 club just off of Santa Anita racetrack (sort of pre Hooters type scantily dressed waitresses). Good thing he was staying at a hotel that was walking distance from there. Me, not so lucky, lived in El Monte, that was one of the first times of many I almost tore the wing off the back of the black beast (hit a dip in road going a bit too fast) many good times in that car. I'll keep looking at, but, that could very well be the guy. small world.

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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2011, 03:41:52 AM »
It did have a 2.0L turbo... the V8 is a recent addition

Jack Stratton has seen pics and said... never would have done a green one..

is it "dark green metallic"/
 
 
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« Reply #72 on: December 03, 2011, 07:56:15 AM »
is it "dark green metallic"

color 4C Ivy Glow Metallic Paint, Ford #5072-A
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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #73 on: December 03, 2011, 08:37:30 AM »
ya know.......... that could have been the guy,

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1997-01-10/news/9701100248_1_harry-korean-war-christopher-mooney


Harry A. Schmerler - January 10, 1997

Harry A. Schmerler, 66, a South Barrington resident who founded Schmerler Ford in Elk Grove Village and Racine, Wis., died Wednesday in Good Shepherd Hospital in Barrington. Mr. Schmerler served as an infantry officer in the U.S. Army during the Korean War and was a past president of the Ford Motor Co.'s National Dealer Council. "He was just a good man, took care of a lot of people and we're going to miss him terribly," said his daughter Mary Schmechtig.


Unfortunate... . can't contact him for more info...
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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2011, 11:00:19 AM »
Mr. Hoke was at one time a higher up in the Ford National Dealer council, probably where they knew each other from. Sorry to hear he passed (Mr. Schmerler), as guess as with anything 40 years old it's hard to back trace. If I had to I'd weight on the subject , i would say they did your car as an Authorized Pangra Dealer, I can verify to everything that I know, NO straight "kt" Pangra had the dash and emblems, they were reserved for Huntington Ford or authorized Dealer built cars only. I couldn't even get the dash for my wife's (girl friend then) Pinto and IF I could'nt get a dash, let's just say no one else would have either and there were many requests. If the dealership still exists maybe a long term employee would remember them doing some high performance cars in that time frame? The Dealers  I delivered Pangras to were "high Performance" Dealers, Vels/Parnelli Jones did Boss Mustangs and little known Boss Mavericks, the Dealer in Arizona was a former Cobra Dealer and also did Boss Mustang Race cars. Might keep the trail from growing cold. If asked to "offically" verify your car, i would.

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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2011, 01:54:14 PM »
If asked to "offically" verify your car, i would.

Thanks George but I would really like to "confim" the details, really need more info on this cars history before I would consider making a statement like that. If there was a way to confirm that Schmerler Ford was an authorized dealer, that actually built and sold even 1 true Pangra... then I might consider calling this that one. Until then I'll keep digging for more info on it's history...

I can find no website for Schmerler Ford but did find a phone # that every time I call I get a busy signal (weird) and have found reference to his son listed as the owner but I fear the dealership may be no more... can't find them in the official Ford database as an active dealer :(
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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2011, 02:46:51 PM »
Sorry i can't positively confirm without a shadow of doubt. Unfortunetly Huntington Ford is no longer around either. It may be a case of if the right person involved with their dealership gets wind of it they could confirm. It would be great if his son is/was involved with the business and would remember that portion. Until then we'll have to go with more that likely. I've been involved with vintage Corvettes for ever and every time some so called expert says "there's no way, or none were ever built like that, or they all had too", it's be proven there are exceptions to every "rule" when it comes to performance cars. As these were "hand built" those involved would be the final word on what was and what probably wasn't, the  KEY word being probably. At this point you may have to be happy with the fact that no matter what, you have a very rare and cool car.

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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #77 on: December 03, 2011, 07:28:16 PM »
Sorry i can't positively confirm without a shadow of doubt......

At this point you may have to be happy with the fact that no matter what, you have a very rare and cool car.

No worries George, I'm more curious in the history of this odd ball and how it came to be than I am concerned with proving it's a  "real" Pangra. While that would be interesting and cool it's so heavily modified / not a Pangra anymore....
 
it's as you put it... a very rare and cool car  :)
 
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Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
« Reply #78 on: December 20, 2011, 08:15:27 PM »
Hey Reves, check out a place called Total Performance located in Mount Clemens, MI. I know that they used to stock the "pancake collector" headers. Or you can buy the 4x1 "pancake collectors directly from Headman I believe.

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« Reply #79 on: December 20, 2011, 11:07:20 PM »
Hey Reves, check out a place called Total Performance located in Mount Clemens, MI. I know that they used to stock the "pancake collector" headers. Or you can buy the 4x1 "pancake collectors directly from Headman I believe.

Just looked at their site. Did a search as well. No luck. Sent them an e-mail.

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