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Carlisle 2008
« on: December 14, 2007, 08:15:12 AM »
For those that don't go to All Ford Show at Carlisle, you don’t know what you’re missing. They have things to do for the entire family; Aside from thousands of cars to see in the show field, there is a HUGE swap meet, a 4X4 rock crawl area, a burn-out competition, a chassis dyno, vender displays, kids play area, indoor displays, a ‘For Sale’ area, and much more.

IMHO: You won’t find a better show with a specific PINTO classes, and PCCA gets a tent for us to gather in right next to our Pintos.

All Pintos are welcome; they need not be “show” cars (my tan one was FAR from a show car when I brought it there), if you don’t have a Pinto with you, stop in to see us anyway and show your support of PCCA and your fellow Pinto ‘people’.

Please check out Carlisle’s website for further details:

http://www.carsatcarlisle.com/ford/index.asp

Please remember to include "Pinto Car Club of America" on your form when you register.


Be a part of the best PCCA event EVER!!

See you there!!

BTW: I mentioned this before, but I will again; I will 'chair' or assist with organizing PCCA's members involvement the same way I did in 2007 (I will even try to do better). If anyone else would like to do it, or even co-chair, please let me know. As soon as I have more details about what PCCA is doing this for year, I will post them.


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Re: Carlisle 2008?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2007, 01:31:41 PM »
I registered Connie and myself for Carlisle today, and I also got the ball rolling for the tent.

One thing I noticed this year; there was information about what makes a car “stock”, “modified” or a “racecar”. They might have had the same details last year, but I don’t think it was as obvious. It says that a ‘stock’ car has 3 or less modifications, a modified car has 4 or more, but it does not say what a ‘modification’ is, however, it gives some clear details for ‘racecars’. I know there were a few questions about this at the last event, so it might be a good idea to talk about it before the event.

Wheels? Tires? Paint? Chrome? Tachometer?.........

Any thoughts?


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Re: Carlisle 2008?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2007, 02:09:12 PM »
I would say that aftermarket repair parts don't count as "mods". Nor would converting to electronig ignition, as long as OEM style parts are used. Mods would be more obvious upgrades, like an MSD box.

So If I installed only a 302, C4, and 8" rear....is that 3 mods? Would I still qualify as "stock"?  :showback: For "Judged shows" HEHEHE
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Re: Carlisle 2008?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 02:28:24 PM »
My point exactly.

I think that COULD be looked at as only one, because Pintos came with C4s and 8" rears. The only thing about it is that you have to make a few "modifications" to install "a" V8 in a Pinto.

Some might argue that changing to aftermarket wheels is '4' modifications too.

Is changing the color and putting on graphics consitered 2?

This is a 'peoples choice' type event.


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Re: Carlisle 2008?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2007, 04:10:18 PM »
Well, if that's the case then even my Pinto isn't gonna be stock. Roller cam, black interior instead of tan, different wheels than what was on, 8" rear end, Mustang II console... I say it doesn't matter. Too much emphasis is put on the classes like that, atleast among Pintos.

Once I get the cash I'm gonna get registered for Carlisle. Gonna get the hotel room reserved in a couple more weeks.
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Re: Carlisle 2008?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2007, 04:57:04 PM »
Not having been before, is it neccessary that you register for the show, to get to park on the grounds?

IF I get to go, which I doubt, I'd just as soon go park amongst the other Pintos. Then not wory about being judged, even if it is people's choice.

Wouldn't OEM Ford parts of similar vintage, be considerd stock? IE: the black interior, and sotted dish wheels. Even the MII console COULD be considered OEM. Especially to the unknowing masses doing the judging. :)
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Re: Carlisle 2008?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2007, 05:21:50 PM »
Yes, to bring a car in it must be registered, either for show, or for sale.

Parking with the other Pintos is not the issue. I was informed last year that some folks take this VERY seriously. In an effort to be fair to all, I feel that being registered in the correct catagory is (very) important.

I feel if its an OEM "Pinto" or "Pinto" part that was offered for that year/model in that color (interior or exterior), then it's not modified. I also feel that if from all outside apperences it looks stock, it's not modified.

Examples:
1) Swapping a 2.3 into a 74 that had a 2.0 from the factory is not a modification.
2) Installing an 8" rear into a car that came with a 6.75" is not a modification.
3) Installing a roller cam into a 2.3 is not a modification.
4) Changing between colors that were offered the year the car was made is not a modification.
5) Installing a C/W front spoiler on a non-wagon is a modification.
6) Installing a 78 Mustang II center console into 78 Pinto would be a modification (sorry Matt).

Again, these are my just thoughts....

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Re: Carlisle 2008?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2007, 05:28:43 PM »
Hmmm... So for now I'd be good then. Ah, who cares. lol Besides the consle the only other mod I plan on doing is replacing my torn up front seats with a set of low back bucket seats from a Tempo or Escort.
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2007, 05:36:32 PM »
Matt, this was only my opinion.

I think if we all work together on this it will be as fair as it can be.


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Re: Carlisle 2008?
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2007, 05:36:49 PM »
I'm sorry, I'm NOT trying to stir up trouble. Just pointing out that, to the general public, what APPEARS to be stock, could be a mod, & vice versa.

I'll shut my yap now & let the serious discussion begin.  ;D
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Re: Carlisle 2008?
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2007, 06:39:50 PM »
Matt, this was only my opinion.

I think if we all work together on this it will be as fair as it can be.


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My bad Bill, I was only joking around. I' d have to say the most important thing about the show is just getting out there & having fun. That and getting the looks from all the people walking around seeing all them Pintos sitting in a row. ;D
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Re: Carlisle 2008?
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2007, 12:17:11 AM »
Do Wheels count as a MOD???
 If so? I will have to run 3 alloys and 1 hubcap... ;D

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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2008, 11:54:56 AM »
after doing some research here is what i found as rules conserning stock and modified

STOCK CLASS
The Stock Class will include vehicles that appear to be factory stock. The interior must be original or a duplicate of the original in material, style and color. Engine must be visibly stock for the vehicle's year and model. Numbers do not have to match.. No bolt-on aftermarket parts allowed. Wheels must be available for the year/model of the vehicle

The intent of the "Stock" class is to simulate an original, assembly line condition vehicle. It is recognized that most of these vehicles will have some changes and additions.
list of modifications[/color]
Interior significantly modified (i.e., shag carpet, incorrect seat material, non-factory seat, low-back buckets where high-backs belong, Incorrect year shifter)
Non-stock paint scheme/striping significantly different from production
Factory wheels of incorrect year, significant difference
Non-factory wheels
2 each Ride height altered more than 1 inch, lift kits, after-market shackles, traction bars
Deeply tinted glass
Non-factory shifter, approx stock appearance
Competition, after-market shifter, Vertigate, etc.
1 each Chrome engine or underhood accessories. Chrome valve covers
After-market gauges (including tach)
Dash altered for after-market gauges
Non-factory type carb
Non-factory type intake manifold
 Headers
Incorrect engine color
After-market chrome exhaust tips that differ significantly from factory equipment, or non-factory location
Exterior modifications that significantly alter the appearance of the vehicle (i.e., after-market style scoops, spoilers, air dams, altered or flared wheel openings, tubs, sunroofs, etc.)


 
.MODIFIED CLASS
The following items will automatically put your vehicle in the Modified Class: bodywork that involves a redesign of the original body lines, including but not limited to nosing, chopping, channeling, sectioning, changing radius of wheel wells, moulding, tunneling, etc. Paint that is of custom design such as painted Graphics, shading, blending, candy, pearl, neon, or murals. Engine relocation and/or custom fabricated engine mounts and/or a different engine than was available with any given entry and/or a smoothed out engine block. Any aftermarket )non stock OEM) multiple carb set-ups, tunnel rams, blowers, turbo chargers and/or late model tuned port-type fuel infection on any other era vehicle. Interiors that are of a custom design that consists of changes to three or more of the following: seats, door panels, dash modifications, flooring, headliner, trunk, or truck bed area. See notes concerning dealer- and factory-sold conversions in Stock Class above.
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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2008, 12:39:30 PM »
What I'm noticing is prolly about half the Pintos out there would be in modified. It's just my opinion, but too much goes into rating the cars as to what class they are.
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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2008, 01:17:30 PM »
Matt , keep in mind  carlisle allows 3  modifications. each rim would not count as one  (4)  buy just 1 modification also other than stock size tires  would be a modification. 
The intent of the "Stock" class is to simulate an original, assembly line condition vehicle. It is recognized that most of these vehicles will have some changes and additions.

just trying to give people an idea 
and if  you are not in it for a "trophy"  and just for  fun   what difference does it make if you are listed in modified  if you did make more than 3 changes?  I do realize this is not a judged  show but i have attended several judged shows and they try to put my car in the modified class  because  they had never seen rims like  them before  so now i carry  proof  they are factory  wheels.
 no matter how it is set some will get upset.

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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2008, 01:23:02 PM »
Well, when you put it like that Phill, I see your point. I guess I'm just not used to attending car shows as a participant, but as a spectator only. I'd have to say you're right. As long as I have fun at the show I guess it doesn't matter.
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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2008, 01:25:55 PM »
Thing I noticed is there are people that get around it anyways. When I went to the Chrysler show this year there was a guy that had an 89 Plymouth Horizon done up as an 85 Dodge Omni GLH Turbo clone, and he was in stock FWD class. They didn't even make the GLH after 86, so his car was heavily modified, but nothing was said about it.
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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2008, 03:02:06 PM »
Phil, thats a good list of stuff. The only thing is there are 3 classes, not just those two, and Carlisle has the details on what 'modifications' put a car into the (3rd) racecar class.

Matt, yes there are some that chose to do stuff like that and thats sad; I would hope that in a people's choice the voters would notice things like that and vote accordingly.

Again, the reason I wanted to bring this up now is because of all of the questions on it last year.

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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2008, 09:21:18 PM »
Hi Guys
   In my many years showing my restored to original 70 Boss 302 I discovered that there are a lot of people that put there car in shows for trophys. I call them trophy hunters & they get upset when they get beat out. Even if they lose to a better car. It is harder & more costly to restore a car to original. By original I mean with original  restored parts or NOS parts with the correct part # on them & not over the counter Ford replacement parts. Ford replacement parts are not allways the same as came on the car from the factory. A simple explanation would be a turn signal that came from the factory with a blue wire plug & an over the counter one has a black plug. I go to shows to enjoy the cars & the people I meet. If I win a trophy it's great if I don't it's no biggie to me. It is important to have good rules set for the classes. Stock should be just as it implies stock ie no mods. If you have more than 3 mods you go into the mod class no questions asked. I think we all can tell a race car. All you guys that have been to the Carlisle show know my 78 Cruisin Wagon is pure stock. LOL
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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2008, 11:01:22 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2008, 10:38:39 PM »
i'm in the stock class right?
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i'm in the stock class right?

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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2008, 04:11:06 PM »
   Hey All,
              Guess my pinto is not stock then, just kidding im just hoping for some good weather and lots of pinto's ill be registering my 71 this week .....also im looking 4 a grill for my 71 .

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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2008, 04:34:13 PM »
You can still park with the stocks and modifieds if you want, that would be kool. If you want to park with the other racecars, you can park your butt under the tent with us anyway.

BTW: Did you ever find a DYNO that that car will fit on?


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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2008, 05:58:01 PM »
Hi y'all.When i set up the classes at Carlisle ,while working with them.They did not offer more than the two classes.I for one did not have any problems with Brians car in the modified class and I did not hear anyone complain.But thats OK,so lets just move on.So is my Rallye a modified or race car,seeing that I also autocross and do some drag racing.Just want to know.I hope to make Carlisle this year,I am trying to get a new driveway put in,just trying to figure out finances.
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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2008, 06:35:51 PM »
Just got the hotel reservations made. It'll be me & my dad in the little old Pinto. It'll be the first time in about 17 years he's been in one. Hopefully mine won't end up like that one, dead being towed.
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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2008, 08:33:23 PM »
Harley,
when i registered i was only given the option of stock or modified  race was was not an option. also i would think yours would be modified but i did not or have not see a list for race specifications . I also was not aware of any classification problems last year.but there seams to have been. anyway hope to see you there.
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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2008, 09:28:47 AM »
Harley,
when i registered i was only given the option of stock or modified  race was was not an option....

Did you call or do it online?

Hi y'all.When i set up the classes at Carlisle ,while working with them.They did not offer more than the two classes....

If you click on this link you will see where the 2008 Carlisle registration form for the All Ford Show has 6 different classes. Pintos would only fit into 3 of them.

http://store.carlisleevents.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CE&Product_Code=2008-028&Category_Code=CANC

Type:   
      Stock (3 or less modifications) 
      Modified (4+ modifications) 
      Pro-Street/Race (Tubs, Induction thru Hood, Roll Cage, etc) 
      Street Rod (Pre 1949) 
  Truck:   
       2-WD
       4-WD


As the event coordinator last year I can say there were many questions asked about ALL classes. I would hope that any future event chair (for any show) would not have to deal with this issue again.

Please keep this in mind: there are members here (and other Pinto owners too) that take this, or any competition VERY seriously, and others that don't. In all fairness to those that 'do', I believe we all should enter our cars in the appropriate class. If someone is unsure of what class they should be in they should contact Carlisle Events directly.

I just want everyone that goes there to have a great time.

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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2008, 09:47:17 PM »
Bill,
as i stated i did not see this when i registered
Type:   
      Stock (3 or less modifications) 
      Modified (4+ modifications) 
      Pro-Street/Race (Tubs, Induction thru Hood, Roll Cage, etc) 
      Street Rod (Pre 1949) 
  Truck:   
       2-WD
       4-WD

As the event coordinator last year I can say there were many questions asked about ALL classes. I would hope that any future event chair (for any show) would not have to deal with this issue again.
 thanks for the info and fielding all the  questions from the past and i am sure there will be a few more before the show this year.
i also want everyone to have a great time.
phil

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Re: Carlisle 2008
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2008, 10:25:48 PM »
If you click on this link you will see where the 2008 Carlisle registration form for the All Ford Show has 6 different classes. Pintos would only fit into 3 of them.
Type:   
      Stock (3 or less modifications) 
      Modified (4+ modifications) 
      Pro-Street/Race (Tubs, Induction thru Hood, Roll Cage, etc) 
      Street Rod (Pre 1949) 
  Truck:   
       2-WD
       4-WD


Hey Bill,
 What if you had a Pincherto??? ;D