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How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« on: January 04, 2008, 03:59:56 PM »
Trivia question for all us 'experts'....

Anyone?

It's not what I thought.....

People might want to find out before they buy one.


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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2008, 06:24:52 PM »
I could be wrong but,  It seems to me that they used the same c-4 bellhousing. 
The c-3 and c-5 bells are different and won't work on a c-4.
I used to know all this stuff but, It's been a while.
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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2008, 08:31:15 PM »
I could be wrong but,  It seems to me that they used the same c-4 bellhousing. 
The c-3 and c-5 bells are different and won't work on a c-4.
I used to know all this stuff but, It's been a while.

The dowel pins for the 2.0's are about .5" where the 2.3 are about .6" in diameter. Other than that, EVERYTHING else is the same.


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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2008, 03:20:53 PM »
No-one??

OK, here is another one:

If you wanted to install a C4 behind a 2.3 and wanted to use a stock un-altered bell and dowels, what bell would you use?

1) a "D1MP-7976-AA"

2) a "D42P-7976-AA-2"


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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2008, 05:25:30 PM »
I'll bite... I'll go for option 2 - Final answer ;D
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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2008, 08:12:45 PM »
I'll bite... I'll go for option 2 - Final answer ;D

Sorry for the trick question, but the answer is NIETHER. Get out of the Cash Cab and start walking.

I do admire your bravery.

Now for the back story.

I scored a "D4" bell last year, put it on a shelf and thought no more of it now that I "had one."  Earlier last year, Ultimate Pinto and I gutted a 73 Wagon; he took the engine, I took the tranny. A few days ago I decided to clean the bell from the 73 because I had a "D4" and I was going to sell this "D1". As I clean it I discover it is a "D4". Now I know for a fact this came off a 2.0, so I attempted to install it on one of my spare 2.3s only to find it won't fit due to the dowel size. Then I grabbed my other "D4", and sure enough, it won't fit either. I started looking into this to find there are at least 2, maybe more "D4" bells, of which at least one will not fit a 2.3. The D4s have prefixes of “D42P”, “D4ZP”, and MAYBE a "D42F" and a “D4ZZ” (I have not been able to verifiy these); the “D42P” WILL NOT FIT A 2.3. This is something to look for when buying a “D4” bell. The dowel holes for a 2.0 are .480”, the ones for a 2.3 are .6”. All these bell part numbers will have the same middle number of “7976” and should also have some variation of “A”, “AA”, or “AB”, possibly followed by a dash and one or two more numbers (one of mine has a “-1” the other a “-2).

I hope this helps.

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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2008, 11:41:39 PM »
Heyu Bill,
 R U saying that the bell will not fit?
OR That the dowls are wrong for your 2.3???
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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2008, 05:23:48 AM »
i ran into this with my 75. ( i went though tranny's like they were going out of style) but need to have the car back on the road for work that night and drills them out.  never had a problem. not the right way to do it but like i said i had to have the car back on the road that night
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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2008, 09:42:54 AM »
Heyu Bill,
 R U saying that the bell will not fit?
OR That the dowls are wrong for your 2.3???
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The dowel pins for the 2.0's are about .5" where the 2.3 are about .6" in diameter. Other than that, EVERYTHING else is the same.

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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2008, 11:35:27 AM »
the car came with c3,  but i used it for deliver pizza for 2 company at the same time so the car got well used and all my parts i got for free from a tow yard that a friend owned the same tow yard that soled me the car.  a 75 with 30,000 original for  40$. any way i would put any tranny that i came across in. i was going from a a4ld back to a c4 from a 2.0 that had came from a 72 or 73 figure 8 car. all the tranny's i put in were used and most the time i didn't know any thing about them. even if they were worked at all i put 6-7 tranny in that car. 
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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2008, 04:21:56 PM »
Another buyer beware item!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170186185212&fromMakeTrack=true

"...yes this is the highly sought after 74 model that came on the 2.0 and 2.3 that year...D42P 7976 AA1"

I sent him a 'question' and gave him the correct info....


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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2008, 08:34:44 PM »
This is what I sent:

"That ''D42P'' bell will not direct bolt to a 2.3, it was made to fit the 2.0 ONLY. The ''D4ZP'' is made for the 2.3. I hope this helps."

His reply:

"it will fit the 2.3 minus 2 bolts...thanks ...i,ve did it before tommy"


It appears that he knows that his listing discription is wrong/misleading, but even his reply is questionable: All 6 bolts CAN be used, so maybe he 'not did it before'?

SCAMMER!!

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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2008, 11:37:11 AM »
Poor bidders. He'll get his eventually.

Good in fo on the bells though Bill. You da man. ;D
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Re: How Many Different C4 Bells Were Made For Ford 2.0s + 2.3s?
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2017, 04:21:38 PM »
Sorry to resurrect such an old post but will the D42P bell fit as long as you have the step-down dowels?

This is what I sent:

"That ''D42P'' bell will not direct bolt to a 2.3, it was made to fit the 2.0 ONLY. The ''D4ZP'' is made for the 2.3. I hope this helps."

His reply:

"it will fit the 2.3 minus 2 bolts...thanks ...i,ve did it before tommy"


It appears that he knows that his listing discription is wrong/misleading, but even his reply is questionable: All 6 bolts CAN be used, so maybe he 'not did it before'?

SCAMMER!!

Bill