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Which trans is likely here?
« on: April 12, 2017, 12:39:44 PM »
The Spec-Tag reads "M" for trans?.. originally equipped w/a 2.0 engine & currently has a floor-shift 3sd auto-trans.

I'm having to do a LOT of research on everything "Pinto" & now "Ranger"(Pick-Up) because I'm trying to place a Ranger Cologne 1987 2.9 L engine(the redesigned head-version) where the Cologne-2.0 L engine now is. (I understand there's nothing like climbing under it to read the trans-tag & measuring everything myself, but all the help I can get BEFORE I pull the engine is most appreciated.. I'm till driving it around some while I get everything ready to rework it..).

Many Thanks in Advance..

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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2017, 09:22:57 PM »
If you have the 2.0 pinto (German) it has he C-4 , the 2.9 has to he same belhousing As the 2.8 , and no the 2.0 bell will not bolt up , last year for the 2.0 in the pinto was 1974 , change mounts on frame , easy . 73 down , hard but can be done , the 2.8 engine mounts will bolt to the 2.9 , and oil pan too , use the 2.9 merkur Scorpio top intake , its low profile ,




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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2017, 08:13:22 PM »
Many Thanks for the response.

So, I'll need a different bell housing to bolt in this 2.9 engine? Is there Ranger Bell that 'will' bolt onto this C-4 trans & are the splines also a match?

I've been looking into the "Merkur Scorpio" intake set-up, I just don't seem to find one available. If you have any leads, please let me know. My only other alt is to cut the hood & set a custom-reversed scoop over the cut. (Do-able, but I'd rather not cut the hood). I'll be making my own custom grill & wheel flares as it is.

I look forward to hearing more on this.. again, Many Thanks.

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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2017, 09:19:32 PM »
I have a C-3 and a C-4 transmission that will fit the 2.9 , I have seen a few merkur sites that had the top manifold , just have to find it , and yes I agree on not cutting the hood ,
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2017, 10:34:46 PM »
Try www.car-part.com. Website is easy to use, connected to wrecking yards all over. I have gotten parts through that web site and I'm completely satisfied. I checked before responding and they have the XR4TI and the Scorpio lumped together. You will have to call and specify V6 to them.
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 09:59:44 AM »
Good call ENZO , looked at the site and they do have some maifolds listed ,  not a bad price , I also found a mustang 2 that some had used that manifold on top from a scorpio , and also found that they are some nice cast valve covers that would dress up the engine ,  also looks like you should grab the air cleaner also , that gives me a few more thought on mine , later Blaine
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 12:42:44 PM »
Also some covers for the 2.8 ,   on swapping the bellhousing on you 2.0 to bolt up to the 2.9 yes you can but you have to change the clutch packs in the transmission ,   the 2.0 and 2.3 C-4 only had 2 clutch disk in each pack , Forward clutch pack and high clutch pack,    the V-8 had 5 in each , the small six,s had 3 and large six,s had 4 ,  Got a C-3 transmission out of my pinto when I converted to a A4LD for overdrive , also have a Pinto C-4 (early ) out of a V-6 pinto , been sitting for years , if your nearby you can come take a look at them , Pass Christian ,MS   later Blaine
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2017, 08:42:42 AM »
for got to post the name of the out fit that makes them ,  Redmond Metalcasting  ,  they are located in Ireland but do ship overseas ,  best part they can put what ever you want printed on top of the cover , also found they make the 2.0 valve covers for the early pintos ,
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2017, 10:28:55 AM »
That front located breather would end up very close to the hood on a Pinto don't you think????
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 02:02:02 PM »
no , the cover is for a 2.0 , which is lower and has the filler up front anyway so should clear well , now a 2.3 i do beleive it would hit , still it would be a nice dress up part for the car ,
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2017, 11:37:46 PM »
Try www.car-part.com. Website is easy to use, connected to wrecking yards all over. ...
...You will have to call and specify V6 to them.
Enzo

I guess I'll have to call & see if they carry anything Merkur-Scorpio, I tried to tap that up on their site & it doesn't even show anything nor will it allow it to be typed in.. sigh..

I certainly don't expect to walk around tripping over the parts I need to build this Pinto.. but I do wish it were a touch easier to find the right parts..
I also wish to thank everyone for helping me with this. ;)

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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2017, 08:57:18 AM »
Michael,

Did you put the dash (-) in the address?
Carpart is a different site than I suggested.

Please try again with www.car-part.com.

Enzo.

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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2017, 01:06:10 PM »
Yes I did.. I actually opened the www link you provided. It simply shows nothing "Merkur or Scorpio". ...And they don't answer my emails. I'll try to call by phone.. :(

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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2017, 03:05:07 PM »
The Merkur XR4Ti and Scorpio were sold in the US under the Mercury brand. The XR4Ti was made from 1985 through mid 1989.
The Scorpio was made mid 1987 through mid 1989. The XR4Ti used the US Ford 2.3 and the Scorpio used the Cologne 2.9 V6.

I looked at car-part again and was able to find the listing for them.  Not sure why you are having trouble.

PM me and I will try to help you.
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2017, 10:46:40 AM »
I suppose I'm having trouble finding them.. well.. mostly because I don't know everything, & I've been looking in "Ford".. as in "Ford-Lincoln-then-Mercury".. sigh I mean, for cryin' out loud.. FORD takes the credit for the lil' monsters AND made the money off 'em too.. lol

Michael

P.S. Well I'll be darned.. there they all are! Just as pretty as ya please.. under "Mercury"! Who'd have thought such a thing? (Go ahead, make fun of me, I guess I deserve it..) ;)
Enzo, I am most grateful for your patients & all your help! If there's anything I can ever do for you, please let me know. :)

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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2017, 08:10:07 AM »
No problem!  Glad I was able to help. Let us know how your project is going.
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2017, 07:06:21 PM »
Sigh.. Ok, here's the current status on the Ford-Mercury/Merkur-Scorpio 2.9 L Intake Manifold(upper & lower).. a big "0" ,goose-egg so far. "Flowers Wrecking/PA" showed that they 'had' one.. that they crushed 15 yrs ago & they checked some 200 'participating' auto-dismantle-rs & they could find nothing showing/available.

..I simply refuse to put a V-8 into this lil-Pony Wagon.. sigh.. if anyone can shake the bushes of their local areas to turn up a low-profile Intake Manifold that'll fit this 1987- 2.9 L Ranger Engine.. please let me know. The only other alt I can think of is having one cast new from a pro-shop maker.

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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2017, 09:36:17 PM »
Found 2 of them , but they are in the U.K. , on E bay U.K. , I have brought a few things for my 2.8 off of E bay there so give it a look and see , just type in Ford 2.9 intake manifold , ask what shipping might be , I might buy one Too ,
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2017, 09:31:50 AM »
FOUND TWO !!!!!   located a setup for you place called M-45 , phone number 800 214 2472 ,  1988 murkur Scorpio ,  they have one ,  I also brought one for future just in case mods , (will i ever learn ) in case my 2.8 gives up one day . Later Blaine
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2017, 06:08:46 PM »
I GOT ONE! Hooyahh! I've got a Merkur Scorpio 2.9 L Intake(complete) now sitting on my dinning rm table(I'll put it on once I sand-blast the exterior of it, mask it off & paint it the same as the engine & polish the highlights). I've also now gotten(inbound yet) a distributor, & ignition electronics that go w/it. (I'll hand-pick the plug wires for color & size).

My next question to you most Wonderful People is.. Headers? I've a part number from "Pacesetter"(through Summit Racing), PSM-70-1118 ( https://www.summitracing.com/parts/psm-70-1118 ) these are listed for the BroncoII/Ranger-PU, but will they fit into this 1973 Pinto Wagon bolted onto this 2.9 L V6 Engine? (Maybe if I reject the lower "Y-Pipe" & re-set/re-make that lower section, Hopefully w/out having to re-cut or re-bend the actual header itself?)

Please let me know what ya'll think/know about this?

..& Again, many thanks for all the help.

Michael

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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2017, 09:43:14 PM »
COOL! Glad you guys found some.  I picked one up about 5 years ago just because it looked good and was thinking about maybe doing a 2.9L.  Didn't think they would be extinct in a few years.

In 2013 I rebuilt my 2.8L in the Pinto.  Won't be doing an automotive 2.8L again because of the difficulty finding parts for it.  The Ranger 2.8L is still being supported (barely), so, more likely.  But, then again, too many later model engines that might fit to choose from.  Too many ideas, not enough time and money to realize the projects.

Did you get an engine harness somewhere?, or are you going to make one?  I haven't found a last year Bronco II to strip the engine harness from as suggested by pinto_one.  With my latest wiring problem, not sure I could rewire a late model engine into a Pinto with success anyway!!

Wishing swift movement on your project.
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2017, 10:06:12 PM »
Forgot to say, that I also looked at those headers.  I am wondering the same thing.  How will they fit around the Pinto front cross member and the steering shaft? The stock manifold is so close to the right sub frame with the engine offset that I can't get the main knuckles of my hand past the manifold. Will they fit with the engine centered in the chassis?
Has anyone purchased these headers and tried to fit them to a Pinto with a 2.9L engine? 

Any advice is appreciated.
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2017, 11:34:12 PM »
Your best off using the ranger or Scorpio manifolds , the headers on my 2.8 are tight on the passenger side , but they will not fit the 2.9 due to the exhaust port spacing , took me a few years to find the set I have now , do have a rusty set I was planning on copying and use the 2.9 or 4.0 header flanges , also I just got me a 2.9 top for the future swap in case the 2.8 ever gives up the ghost , the ranger headers will not work at all , i got a 2.8 ranger headers I brought a long time ago to try , and then a set of mustang II headers , nope , the drivers side would work with a few mods but the right side nope ,will post a photo of the right side headersntomsho w how tight they are , Blaine
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2017, 11:44:11 PM »
The rusty ones are 2.8 pinto , the new ones are 2.8 mustang ii which had more room
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Re: Which trans is likely here?
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2017, 11:58:20 PM »
The one on the left fits ranger/bronco II  the right one fits mustang II ,  just sold the mustang II headers to a guy in Texas that some how found out I had them , just like the 2.8 pinto headers , Rare . If anyone here know anybody that can copy the old ones let me know , it would be east to set up for the 2.9 or even 4.0 , later Blaine
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