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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2017, 07:22:40 AM »
Looks like you will fix your problem very soon. Keep at it. We will all learn from it.

Agree !

I have one (off the blue 72) I was thinking of re-building.
Also thought I may go with an adjustable after market.
It will have a line lock when done as well......

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2017, 01:59:57 PM »
Agree !

I have one (off the blue 72) I was thinking of re-building.
Also thought I may go with an adjustable after market.
It will have a line lock when done as well......
Update. After soaking all parts in ammonia for 48 hours and rinsing with water the port shown and the one on the opposite side were clogged I took a fine paper clip and cleaned the out. Jut waiting on the rebuild kit.


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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2017, 09:13:02 AM »
Looks like your going in the right direction. Keep us informed of your work.
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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2017, 04:58:12 PM »
Keep us updated on the outcome. What does the kit cost and where did you source it from?

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2017, 06:43:17 PM »
Keep us updated on the outcome. What does the kit cost and where did you source it from?
https://www.musclecarresearch.com/valve-kit-kh-D7DZ


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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2017, 11:32:56 AM »
Take a look at the tech to rebuild the valve.    http://www.musclecarresearch.com/valve-rebuild-weatherhead-drum    Its for a different valve but the tech would be the same.
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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2017, 09:02:52 AM »
Take a look at the tech to rebuild the valve.    http://www.musclecarresearch.com/valve-rebuild-weatherhead-drum    Its for a different valve but the tech would be the same.
Cleaned all parts ran a .45 cal bite brush thru housing. Put on all seals and o-rings. Time to re assemble


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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2017, 02:33:31 PM »
This is a really thorough informative rebuild, Keep it up, Inspiring too!
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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2017, 01:04:49 PM »
Is your proportioned to the limit proportional valve have adjustable proportion or is your proportional valve non proportional?
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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2017, 03:42:38 PM »
Is your proportioned to the limit proportional valve have adjustable proportion or is your proportional valve non proportional?
Umm, Don't blow it all out of proportion! :o besides, I must have portion control when I eat too ;D
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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2017, 03:49:36 PM »
Is your proportioned to the limit proportional valve have adjustable proportion or is your proportional valve non proportional?
There is no adjustments at all. When you put in the brass valve you center it on the switch hole the screw in the switch


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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2017, 10:04:47 AM »
Read my post again. It was intended to be a joke for pintosopher. I knew he would answer it with another joke. Such post keep us on our toes.
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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2017, 05:37:27 PM »
From some research and some conversations with  a local hotrodder I thi k the early cars only had the dual brake "safety valve" with the plunger that slides to redirect pressure to the opposite system, ie front or rear in the case of a catestrophic failure in one of the systems and to as well indicate the failure with the brake indicator light.

A true "propoptioning valve"  modulates the pressure to the rear wheels and usually has some sort of user adjustable screw or k ob to adjust the pressure to the rear wheels.

Most later cars and gm cars seem to have them integrated into the safety valve and have the adjuster screw.

There are aftermarket "proportioning valves" that cost between $15 and 50 that can be installed into rear brake line to adjust the pressure applied to the rear break system. there is a knob that allows for the adjustment to balance the pressure.

Do a google search for "universal adjustable proportioning valve"

As I mentioned above, I plan to do a 4 wheel brake job in january and have an aftermarket valve installed.

Ill post with the results.
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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2017, 05:53:11 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2017, 05:54:02 PM »
From some research and some conversations with  a local hotrodder I thi k the early cars only had the dual brake "safety valve" with the plunger that slides to redirect pressure to the opposite system, ie front or rear in the case of a catestrophic failure in one of the systems and to as well indicate the failure with the brake indicator light.

A true "propoptioning valve"  modulates the pressure to the rear wheels and usually has some sort of user adjustable screw or k ob to adjust the pressure to the rear wheels.

Most later cars and gm cars seem to have them integrated into the safety valve and have the adjuster screw.

There are aftermarket "proportioning valves" that cost between $15 and 50 that can be installed into rear brake line to adjust the pressure applied to the rear break system. there is a knob that allows for the adjustment to balance the pressure.

Do a google search for "universal adjustable proportioning valve"

As I mentioned above, I plan to do a 4 wheel brake job in january and have an aftermarket valve installed.

Ill post with the results.
Take pictures of your setup


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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2017, 05:59:18 PM »
Ok got the rebuilt valve in. Front brakes bled with no problem. Seem I have a slight leak from the switch.  After I fix the leak I’ll move on to the rear


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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2017, 10:21:33 AM »
I think on a Ford with drum brakes on the rear the propoptional valve is under the car in the brake line to the rear brakes. Its maybe 1" in diameter and 3" long.
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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2017, 03:45:08 PM »
I think on a Ford with drum brakes on the rear the propoptional valve is under the car in the brake line to the rear brakes. Its maybe 1" in diameter and 3" long.
My brake light warning switch is leaking. It never gets tight just keeps spinning. Where can I get another one?


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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2017, 04:11:37 PM »
I think on a Ford with drum brakes on the rear the propoptional valve is under the car in the brake line to the rear brakes. Its maybe 1" in diameter and 3" long.



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« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2017, 11:32:30 AM »
Are you showing one on the frame just below the firewall? I think I remember them there.
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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2017, 02:03:14 PM »
72s with both style brakes is in the same place.

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« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2017, 03:04:29 PM »
Yes it would be the same cause it has nothing to do with the front brakes. It could care less if the front brakes were drum or disc.
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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2017, 02:08:40 PM »
Ok guys brakes are all done. The leak from the brake warning switch was caused by a twisted oring when I reassemble the valve what I did was take it all apart  put all prongs back on. Dipped all parts in clean brake fluid and reassembled the valve. Brakes bled fine  no leaks


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« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2017, 02:55:01 PM »
Thanks for the great rebuild thread, When I do my 72, I'll be reviewing this again

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« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2017, 04:59:58 PM »
Is that the engine out of your Pinto on the company dyno?
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« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2017, 06:46:23 PM »
Is that the engine out of your Pinto on the company dyno?
LOL, look closely , It's injected, and I have no company, and my Dyno was in my race bucket seat and between my ears ;D
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« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2017, 01:32:21 PM »
I was talking about your time at Comptech. Weren't you racing the Pinto then? And people were known to try different intakes while on the dyno.
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« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2017, 01:36:08 PM »
I was talking about your time at Comptech. Weren't you racing the Pinto then? And people were known to try different intakes while on the dyno.
I raced a Ford, but not while I was working there, I would have needed a Civic or S2000 or NSX to get those bennies... Too spendy to get Dyno time and I was a lowly shipping Guy :o
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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2017, 09:52:48 PM »
Glad you got your brake s sorted. My factory proportioning valve was leaking so I removed it and just put a T in the line for the front brakes, then an Adjustable bias valve for the back brakes. Now I can turn down  the rear brakes so they don't lock before the fronts. The bias adjuster was by Baer Brakes.