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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2017, 02:51:27 PM »
For a sort of ultimate guide on T-9's:

http://www.classicfordmag.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Classic-Ford-May-2011-Ford-Type-9-five-speed-guide.pdf

As far as I know BGH are still in business, see there website and pricelist:

http://www.bghgeartech.co.uk/html/5_speed.html

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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2017, 11:52:58 AM »
Help. All I get on the classic ford mag site is blank pages.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2017, 04:10:07 PM »
Dick , Sent you an email with PDF file for the Mag shown here..
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2017, 04:27:17 PM »
Got it Joe! Thanks. It looks like some of the T9 parts would fit a 4 speed tranie too. I keep looking on the Merkur site but most of the T9's are gone and replaced by a T5 long ago.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2017, 09:34:58 AM »
Kim,
 No E-mail in any part of the UK site. Once upon a time there was a Quaife USA distributor, Unable to find at this time. I'm sending you this attachment to use for a suitability exercise with a Stock Merkur  T-9 . I may have access to a used one thru a close friend that converted his Merkur to a T-5 that was really boosted in HP ( Later the car was rear ended and totaled) . In the meantime, I've left my email with Quaife UK to further this endeavor.. I'm intrigued with a T-9 and would like to price out a Iron case t-9 for my racer.  :)

Thanks for the info. I did find an e-mail address on the site, sent an e-mail, but nobody answered it.

If you are in the UK, could you call them for me, and see if they do orders shipped to the US? If not, I won't spend any more time on inquires.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2017, 10:08:54 AM »
There is a speed shop / sports car shop / tranie shop in Plano, Texas by the name of Taylor Racing or something like that that builds the T9 type tranies for sport car racing. Their known all over the country for their work. I bought one of their close ratio Pinto tranies a long time ago. Worked like a charm.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2017, 10:16:51 AM »
Try  http://www.taylor-race.com or 1-800-922-4327
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2017, 10:26:06 AM »
Try  http://www.taylor-race.com or 1-800-922-4327
Just went to the Web site... $3795 for Sierra 5 speed .. Straight cut gears only though..
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2017, 11:11:59 AM »
The T5 are out there.  Im on a 2.0 conversion now and it was removed, ready to go for $200.  I can make that up in gas savings for a year!

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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2017, 02:17:47 PM »
The T5 are out there.  Im on a 2.0 conversion now and it was removed, ready to go for $200.  I can make that up in gas savings for a year!

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   You would need a very strong 2.0 engine to pull overdrive with any rear end ratio ever put in a Pinto by the factory. 3:55 is the very lowest gear put into Pintos from the factory and was in station wagons. Most Pintos came with gears around 3:00 and an overdrive is the last thing you would be able to use. It would take about 175 hp to pull such a gear and we both know that hp with a 2.0 is ONLY in an all out race car. 140 hp with a 2.0 is reasonable but with a lot of work and $$$$.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2017, 02:22:42 PM »
   You would need a very strong 2.0 engine to pull overdrive with any rear end ratio ever put in a Pinto by the factory. 3:55 is the very lowest gear put into Pintos from the factory and was in station wagons. Most Pintos came with gears around 3:00 and an overdrive is the last thing you would be able to use. It would take about 175 hp to pull such a gear and we both know that hp with a 2.0 is ONLY in an all out race car. 140 hp with a 2.0 is reasonable but with a lot of work and $$$$.
Well, my T5 conversion with 3.4 gears and 205 60 13 tires worked out great.  And im running the same tires 3.55 rear with a T9.  Both 2.0 maybe 110hp meaning relatively stock.  This isnt my first rodeo, itll be fine.

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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2017, 02:24:46 PM »
   You would need a very strong 2.0 engine to pull overdrive with any rear end ratio ever put in a Pinto by the factory. 3:55 is the very lowest gear put into Pintos from the factory and was in station wagons. Most Pintos came with gears around 3:00 and an overdrive is the last thing you would be able to use. It would take about 175 hp to pull such a gear and we both know that hp with a 2.0 is ONLY in an all out race car. 140 hp with a 2.0 is reasonable but with a lot of work and $$$$.
And my 3.55 rear is stock in a 72 sedan.  The 3.4 gear car was a swapped 8".

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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2017, 02:32:42 PM »
Hi..

Not sure if this will duplicate since i tried to post it previously..

Looks like Dick and I are both recommending the same place...

I got some parts for my 73 pinto 4 speed at

https://www.taylor-race.com

The fellow there builds a lot of 4 and 5 speed racing transmissions based on the german 4 and 5 speed top loaders with the integral shifters.

You might want to call Taylor and pick his brain.. when i was there I got the idea that he builds all sorts of gearboxes.. be may have a used box in good shape, or recommend a source for a good used box.

I also had a 72 capri and it did not have the integral shifter like the pinto 4 speed, it had a side mounted external shifter.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2017, 02:55:46 PM »
I forward Dick's post about the rear end ratio..  I guess I lucked out with my wagon, it has 3:40 and with 14" tires the ratio is ideal for highway 1900 at 40 mph, 3000 at 70. 

I think i have a wide ratio 4 speed because its pretty spunky off the line wit a 4 degree cam advance.. 

I would still recomment a swap to 14 " tires and alloy rims... I also switched to a 17 tooth speedo gear and the speedo and odometer is right on

As far as appearance, I actually get a lot of positive comments on my rims and the car seems to handle better.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2017, 03:01:45 PM »
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2017, 03:13:02 PM »
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2017, 03:14:04 PM »
Everything on a 2.0 Capri behind the crankshaft back is different from what is used on a Pinto. The tranie / flywheel / clutch / shifter /starter / driveshaft / rear end / bellhousing. It all different because it came from over seas, not the USA. Most of our stock Pinto parts were made here or in Germany. Lucas made the Capri  starter and as such it will not work on a 2.0 Pinto. We already know the tranie and shifter is different. I had several friends who raced Capri's in SCCA and they all complained that they could not use Pinto parts when they had tranie problems.  Replacing the tranie was much more than unbolting the old and replacing it with a Pinto tranie. If your really interested, the Capri's have several really good web sites both here and over seas.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2017, 03:20:36 PM »
Actually i discovered the difference when I built my capri in 1980.. the shifter was a real piece of work..

I had a feeling that the flywheel was different as well..

I have a capri block that I am rebuilding... I assume that the blocks are the same and have rhe same bellhousing mounting holes, etc.
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« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2017, 03:22:07 PM »
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VERY NICE! I didn't mean that the wagons only came with a 3:55, just that was just an option and Ford did not make a lower gear. 4:11 and 4:30 gears were made by Zoom when the cars were new in the 70's. About every 5 years I'll see a set on e-bay for sale. Very rare parts. And yes the tranies are wide ratios with second gear having a different ratio in some of the tranies. Why? Who knows but they are much looked for by the dirt track people for mini stock. BTW the blocks are the same.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2017, 04:16:48 PM »
Actually i discovered the difference when I built my capri in 1980.. the shifter was a real piece of work..

I had a feeling that the flywheel was different as well..

I have a capri block that I am rebuilding... I assume that the blocks are the same and have rhe same bellhousing mounting holes, etc.
Sorry, the capri does have side loader. I was wrong.  Capri oil pan, dipstick, balancer (small cast unit), and front crankshaft housing different as well.

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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2017, 04:25:42 PM »
Look at  http://www.hvidberg.com/capri.htm   and the capri club of Chicago and capri club of north America  On the capri club of Chicago look at the drive line tech tips for a how to do it on electronic ignition for a 2.0 and how to do a T5 swap on a 2.0.
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« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2017, 05:19:10 PM »
Look at  http://www.teamblitz.com  for more 2.0 stuff.
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« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2017, 09:18:09 PM »
As for the 4 spd pinto trans..  I really like mine... with the stock engine it launches really well in 1st and if I shift out of 1st at about  4500 at about 25 mph  it drops into 2nd at about 2300 just at the bottom of the power curve with the cam advance.  2nd gear tops about 45 mph at 4000. 4th at 45 mph is about 1900.
 so I usually just do 1st, 2nd, 4th around town and only use 3rd when i need power on the fwy or slow to 35.
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« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2017, 10:31:46 AM »
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« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2017, 12:36:48 PM »
LTFM don't want to derail the topic, but I'm curious about your wagon's roof color. I can't tell if it is primer, or silver.  Also, what was the cut off point at the rear?  I'm in the process of prepping my wagon to epoxy prime as it has significant surface rust.  I actually like the two color look and am contemplating doing mine in a different color. I've seen a number of "cut off at the rear" points in my mind but seeing one in real life would be interesting.

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« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2017, 03:19:50 PM »
The roof paint is actually Rustoleum rattlecan "hammered silver".

When the previous owner found it the luggage rack had been removed and some of the mounting points were rusted and he couldnt match the paint so he two toned it.

Heres a pic of the rear section
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« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2017, 07:06:10 PM »
Thank you for the picture. It seems a hard decision to find an acceptable cut-off point with the many intersecting lines/curves etc.. Perhaps I'll reconsider doing it in factory white like the rest of the car. So. Cal. has been hot and windy and epoxy priming outdoors needs to wait for just the right day. But after 10 years of "I'll get to it next year" I just decided that it IS going to happen... soon.


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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2017, 11:08:52 AM »

   You would need a very strong 2.0 engine to pull overdrive with any rear end ratio ever put in a Pinto by the factory. 3:55 is the very lowest gear put into Pintos from the factory and was in station wagons. Most Pintos came with gears around 3:00 and an overdrive is the last thing you would be able to use. It would take about 175 hp to pull such a gear and we both know that hp with a 2.0 is ONLY in an all out race car. 140 hp with a 2.0 is reasonable but with a lot of work and $$$$.


3:55 was available as the standard rear ratio when I bought mine in 1971 with a 2.0
There was a 3:73 available but I believe it came only in the earlier cars with the 1.6
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #58 on: October 29, 2017, 12:11:43 PM »
The 1.6L cars needed all the help they could get as they were VERY under powered. I drove one in the Dallas rush hour traffic on the LBJ free way one day and I though I'd die any minute. The traffic was going 70+ and the Pinto with the gas pedal on the floor would not go that fast. Got off as soon as I could. Not one of Fords good ideas.
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« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2017, 01:28:04 PM »
The 1.6L cars needed all the help they could get as they were VERY under powered. I drove one in the Dallas rush hour traffic on the LBJ free way one day and I though I'd die any minute. The traffic was going 70+ and the Pinto with the gas pedal on the floor would not go that fast. Got off as soon as I could. Not one of Fords good ideas.

The brown '72 sedan I owned from 2007 - 2013 had the 1.6L and it would cruise all day at 70 mph; it just took a while to reach that speed!  lol

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.