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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #60 on: October 30, 2017, 11:43:36 AM »
The 1.6L engines worked much better in the English cars in the 60's and 70's due to less EPA bs I guess. Was used for a long time in the SCCA race cars. I had several friends who raced Pinto with a 1.6L due to the fact they fit in a lower class in road racing back then.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2017, 10:14:33 PM »
Most of the GM Camaro T-5's came with the standard GM trans to bellhousing bolt pattern. There was a point (late 80's/early 90's???) where they went to the Ford bolt pattern (likely a Chevy Guy day of mourning) but again you are dealing with the the input shaft length being different in addition to the points you made.  Also a lot of those GM T-5's aren't rated for a lot of torque. They never used them behind a 350, only 305's. They used the T-56 for the 350. At least the one thing some of the Camaro's had going for them (in a V-8 application) was the 2.95 first gear.  But frankly it seems to be a lot of mix/match to get ratios, input shafts, shift lever locations that each application needs.



I did this swap over the last year. I used the front half of the ford spec T-5 and the back half of a GM spec T5. i did put the shifter in the right place, but the speedo gear now reads off the BOTTOM of the output shaft ( not the top like it did on the ford) so it would have spun the speedo cable backwards- which means your old pinto speedo isn't going to work anymore- so i installed a Vehicle speed sensor instead. I will end up just using an electric speedo when I'm done with my project.   



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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #62 on: May 09, 2018, 08:01:15 AM »
Salutations y'all;

What is the collective point of view on a 5 speed trans for a 72 122c.i. engine?

I'm seeing a lot about the crappy 2.3, but not a lot on the 122c.i. Trans transplant.

Thank'ee & cheers

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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #63 on: May 09, 2018, 11:09:39 AM »
Not sure about 5 speed in 2.0 but I have a 4 speed in my car with 3.40rear end and 14" aftermarket rims and tires and it does everything i need it to.

It seems to have a wide ratio low gear so starts are good, 1st finishes at 25-30 mph, 2nd at 45-50.

When properly built or even stock the 122 has a long power curve so I like the rather long gears, i see a lot of newer cars wirh 6 speeds and they shift about 3-4 times before I am out of 2nd and each takes time and clutch wear.

Especially the new mustangs, they make a lot of noise and Sometimes they shift 1st to 2nd before they cross the intersection but i keep up with them in my lil 122.


I would spend the money beefing up your engine for more power and torque and save a lot of adapter headaches.

Maybe just invest in a better carburetor like the standard ford or motorcraft 2bbl instead of the webber and let 5he engine work for you.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #64 on: May 10, 2018, 03:51:22 PM »
Salutations y'all;

What is the collective point of view on a 5 speed trans for a 72 122c.i. engine?

I'm seeing a lot about the crappy 2.3, but not a lot on the 122c.i. Trans transplant.

Thank'ee & cheers
I like the 5 spd behind both of  my 2.0.  One has a T9 while other has T5.  Run factory 3.55 gears with 205 60 13 tire.  Fast and good gas mileage.  T5 shifts smoother

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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #65 on: May 10, 2018, 09:00:30 PM »
Salutations y'all;

What is the collective point of view on a 5 speed trans for a 72 122c.i. engine?

I'm seeing a lot about the crappy 2.3, but not a lot on the 122c.i. Trans transplant.

Thank'ee & cheers

The obvious option for North America is a T9 five-speed as it is heavily based on the Pinto's four-speed.

More importantly, what do you mean "crappy" 2.3?
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2018, 11:08:31 AM »
You might check out these guys.. they do a lot of gearboxes race cars including the 2.0 sohc pintos.. pricy.. but they might be able to provide some interchaninfo.

They are helpful.. i got a roll pin for my gearbox there

http://www.taylor-race.com
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #67 on: December 15, 2018, 02:05:53 AM »
The obvious option for North America is a T9 five-speed as it is heavily based on the Pinto's four-speed.

More importantly, what do you mean "crappy" 2.3?

Thank'ee.
Everyone I know that has had one despises it, evidently due to known issues w/ it's design & powerband issues.

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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #68 on: December 15, 2018, 08:15:26 PM »
Ah, I see. The NA 2.3 was pretty wheezy and weighty, but never really had any major design flaws that I know of.  It was even used in industrial and marine applications, both of which will find a weak point if there is one to be found.

That said, the 2.0 EAO is easier to get NA power out of despite the bad intake ports and it's quite a bit lighter.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2018, 09:01:39 PM »
Thank'ee.
Everyone I know that has had one despises it, evidently due to known issues w/ it's design & powerband issues.


Well, not everyone.  I've had the 1.6L in a 1972, the 2.0L in another 1972, and two 1974's and a 1978 Mercury Zephyr all with the 2.3L and I prefer the 2.3L, hands down.  No contest so far as I'm concerned, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #70 on: December 22, 2018, 10:07:39 PM »
Since many of you all have con erted to 5 speed.. do any of you sti have a decent factory 4 speed you coulde part with..  my 4 speed is beginning to whine a bit in 1st and 2nd and since I an redoing the 2.0 engine, I was thinking of getting a spare trans that I could rebuild to keep on hand..
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #71 on: December 23, 2018, 10:42:16 PM »
Since many of you all have con erted to 5 speed.. do any of you sti have a decent factory 4 speed you coulde part with..  my 4 speed is beginning to whine a bit in 1st and 2nd and since I an redoing the 2.0 engine, I was thinking of getting a spare trans that I could rebuild to keep on hand..



front input shaft bearing and the countershaft needle bearings.  good luck.  easy to do but I don't think the parts are going to be easy to find.  especially the needle bearings.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #72 on: December 24, 2018, 02:28:39 PM »
I found a rebuild kit for the FoG 4 speed here.. what do you think

http://www.drivetrain.com/parts_catalog/manual_transmission_overhaul_kits/ford_fog_rwd.html
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #73 on: December 26, 2018, 06:37:46 PM »

sounds good but try to find out what is included in what the vendor calls a "small parts kit"


you should definitely replace all the needle bearings that the counter shaft rolls on & definitely get the kit that includes new brass synchro rings








I found a rebuild kit for the FoG 4 speed here.. what do you think

http://www.drivetrain.com/parts_catalog/manual_transmission_overhaul_kits/ford_fog_rwd.html
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #74 on: December 27, 2018, 11:38:11 PM »
I called Taylor Engineering here in dallas and they stock all the parts to rebuild a WoG 4 speed..

They specialize in racing gearboxes and have what they call a "Rocket" which is an upgraded 4 speed and a "Sierra" which is the mercur 5 speed..

The racing transmissions sell for about $2000 for a basic unit up to about $6000 for a full on dog box which is supposed to be good for 300 hp.

They will rebuild a 4 speed for about $500 and sell misc parts as well..

A.set of needle bearings for the countershaft is $55.
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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #75 on: December 28, 2018, 07:41:41 AM »
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The racing transmissions sell for about $2000 for a basic unit up to about $6000 for a full on dog box which is supposed to be good for 300 hp.


https://lencoracing.com/ST1200-4-Speed


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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #76 on: December 28, 2018, 11:10:38 AM »
Hummm..., my 150K miles T-5 that came out of the Turbo Coupe still functions fine. And parts are available.  If you get the one with the bellcrank the Pinto clutch cable connects. A simple plate of steel with two holes gets it over the crossmember. The stock Auto rubber trans mount was a bolt on (assume the manual is too) and all the steel mount required was a bit of slotting. In my case I went from a C-4 Auto trans/6-3/4" rear to a T-5/8" rear and the driveshaft fit without alteration.


So, basically what I'm saying is why spend a lot of money rebuilding the lesser stock Pinto 4-speed with hard to find parts? While they aren't falling off trees the 2.3 version of the T-5 at a Pick Your Part 40% off sale is under $100 out the door. They are rated at 240 Ft. lb. and mine has held up to the 190 HP of my Turbo motor.  I can't account for every drive shaft fitment but with my C-4 to T-5 swap I could either spend $$$ to adapt the driveshaft to the length of the weak 6-3/4 rear, or spend roughly $75 (40% off price) for a much stronger 8" and use the unaltered driveshaft. It is a no brainer.


For those that say the 5th gear of a T-5 isn't practical for the 2.0 engine..., well, just don't use it. You are still getting a better (useful 4 gears) transmission that likely suffices without a rebuild. And if it does need one, the parts aren't hard to find.

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Re: Any 5-speed alternatives to the T-5 conversion?
« Reply #77 on: December 28, 2018, 01:26:58 PM »
My consideration is that my car is an unrestored Galpin  survivor numbers car and i dont want to modify or cut it up.. ive done some minor bolt on mods like pertronix and carburetors but nothing that cant be put back..

Im doing a rebuilt engine to 1971 compression specs to drive and keeping the factory engine for my grandkids if they want to put it back to completely stock..

I understand that there are stronger parts out there  but i just want to keep mine stock..

And I dont really beat on mine.. just want to find spares while they are still moderately available..

Theres a 72 wagon in the classifieds herethat is already converted with turbo coupe  engine, 5 speed and 8 inch already installed..
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