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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2011, 10:07:22 PM »
if parcel post is an option, im all for it!

what is a push or pull type? im assuming the way the clutch is engaged/disengaged?

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2011, 10:19:55 PM »
Push or pull means the way the clutch fork is actuated. A pull type uses a cable and the push type is pushed to engauge/disengauge the clutch. For the pull (cable) type the pivot ball (inside the bell)is on the passenger side and push type has the pivot ball on the drivers side of the bell. If your looking at a bell housing and it has no clutch fork in it...that is how you tell which one it is. I hope that wasn't confusing lol

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2011, 10:31:38 PM »
well i just learned something new. im gonna go out on a limb and say a push is probably best for a pinto because it is the path of least resistance?


on a side note, attached is a picture of 1975 mustang II frame mounts i found on craigslist, any thoughts, i think those are what im looking for.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2011, 05:54:42 PM »
In order to use a push type clutch you would have to have either mechanical linkage or a hydraulic clutch setup...cable is the easiest since it's already setup. Even easier is an automatic  ;D

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2011, 07:48:03 PM »
I checked this bell housing...it's not a cable pull.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2011, 11:15:42 AM »
RSM, you went from manual to automatic, do you still have the clutch pedal assembly? i am going from auto the manual.

about the bellhousing, i should be looking for a t-5 with a cable operated clutch, hopefully i can buy it all as one, they should all bolt to the 289 because it is the same block as a 302.

correct?

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2011, 11:22:31 AM »
Push or pull means the way the clutch fork is actuated. A pull type uses a cable and the push type is pushed to engauge/disengauge the clutch. For the pull (cable) type the pivot ball (inside the bell)is on the passenger side and push type has the pivot ball on the drivers side of the bell. If your looking at a bell housing and it has no clutch fork in it...that is how you tell which one it is. I hope that wasn't confusing lol

Mine is cable & on the left.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2011, 03:35:01 PM »
Sorry Fehrion, I sold the pedal assembly about 3 months ago. An automatic is the way to go when your drag racing...keeps your times consistent. The problem with manual transmissions is that if you miss a gear or have a hard time shifting then your done. Also for street driving just stick in gear and go. Manual transmissions are kool to have and all and a T5 has a nice od 5th gear but I'm all about the 1/4 mile and car shows. I'll keep an eye out for a bell housing for ya...I hope you an find a complete setup, makes it nice to get everything at once.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2011, 04:05:19 PM »
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I hope you an find a complete setup, makes it nice to get everything at once.

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built 302w & T-5 going to be pulled (replacing with a B2).
I have motor mounts (71-73) I'd toss in.
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2011, 08:51:44 AM »
that sounds like one mean drivetrain reeves, but ive already got a built 289 thats almost done!! im building it myself in my engine machining class at school.

RSM, your right, automatics are easier and more consistent, but i love driving stick, there is nothing else like it, okay maybe winning too, but this is a street car for my dad and i to take out on the weekends and to local shows.

any thoughts on those mustang mounts i posted a picture of? im supposed to go pick them up tomorrow, i just dont want to buy the wrong thing again. http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/pts/2679652559.html
there is the link of stuff the guy has.

New Hooker Super Comp Headers 1 5/8" x 31"x 3" Part # 6102
^^^ those arent the super comps that work with pinto swap is it?

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2011, 09:34:59 PM »
I'm not sure if those Mustang II mounts will work. I saw a pair of Hooker swap mounts in the classified section...I think those are what you need. As far as the headers...I don't remember which ones worked on the early Pinto...need to do some homework before you buy anything.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2011, 09:56:29 PM »
ive been talking to Norm and he said those look alot like his, and i cant seem to find a picture of those mounts in there original condition. ive been reading alot and it seems like everyone has something different.   

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2011, 03:23:15 PM »
Keep in mind you will need a clutch pedal assembly from a 71-74.  75 and up pedals are different in the way they mount.
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2011, 05:36:17 PM »
 Not all 289 blocks are the same as a 302. The early blocks used a smaller bell housing and only a 5 bolt mounting ( like a 260) the later ones used the same 6 bolt pattern as the 302.
 You may want to count the threaded holes on the rear of your block. Two holes are for the dowel pins, so it should be either 7 or 8 holes total.
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2011, 10:53:25 PM »
i was under that impression, but i was unsure, i know the pedals i need also have to be non power brakes because they are not interchangable ...? i read that on another post

Reeves, are those mounts you have for a v8 swap? id buy just them .. Fehrionsit@gmail.com

RSM, i emailed the guy in California about the swap mounts .. he responded but has not emailed me back yet with a defiant answer.

Ricpinto, i believe it is a six bolt bellhousing, i will double check when i hone the block tomorrow.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2011, 05:29:49 AM »
I didn't re-read the topic, but have you decided on what headers you will be going with ? May make a difference on which way you mount the engine....
I do have frame mounts, but I'm holding them till I know what will happen to the 302w & T-5, as I would like to sell as a complete unit/swap .

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2011, 07:54:13 AM »
Reeves, i was planning on getting a set of used super comps, but i need to mount the motor first which wont happen till i have all the parts to do so(probally in the spring) ... recommendation s ?

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2011, 06:49:07 PM »
Look in the parts for sale section. Guy has a brand new set of headers you are looking for & the price is good as well.
Seems to me, he may have mounts as well ?

Edit: his listing has expired.
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2011, 11:28:47 AM »
on a side note, for my early pinto, is a granada brake swap overly difficult, would i be better off with aftermarket brakes?

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2011, 03:20:49 PM »
In case you have not seen the great thread below, it shows what is involved in adapting the Granada disc to the early Pinto.  I am not aware of anybody making after market brakes for the early spindles anymore.  Would like to hear if someone is.
http://www.fordpinto.com/pinto-faq/front-disc-brakes-(4-5-lug)/msg6498/#msg6498
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2011, 03:56:31 PM »
i have seen that link, is switching to the newer spindle even possible?

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2011, 06:35:53 AM »
The late spindle is about 7/8" taller (between the ball joints) than the early spindle.  I suspect this would affect the geometry but I do not understand such topics.  However I seem to remember somebody here installing the late spindle in a 73.  Another problem is that the hole for the tie rod end is larger in the late spindle than the 71-72 spindle.  The 73 has a unique rack which uses the larger tie rod end.
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2011, 04:34:13 PM »
hey guys, so i went picking at a junkyard, and found 3 pintos !!! one of them has a v6 in it and the rear end is big, possibly what im looking for, but i need to make sure, unforantly the # plate is rusted off, here are some pictures i took, im almost positive its what im looking for. =DD

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2011, 04:45:00 PM »
looks like an 8 inch rear to me
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2011, 05:17:03 PM »
Yup...it's an 8"

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2011, 07:34:11 PM »
yahoo! and because its coming out of a pinto , it will be the right length to fit under our rear end! ... should i take the driveshaft too? the car is a wagon.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2011, 08:21:22 PM »
I believe the wagon drivelines are longer but I couldn't tell you by how much. If you get it cheap enough i'd take it anyways.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2011, 08:32:20 PM »
My understanding is that all Pinto's have the same wheel base.  Therefore the difference maker becomes the transmission and rearend. Also, in your case the location of the transmission might be different (meaning moved) for the V-8 installation.

But as a reference point I went from a:

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And the original '73 wagon driveshaft fit perfectly.  :-)

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2011, 09:50:48 PM »
If you have a drive shaft that fits with your current axle it should be fine to use with the 8". The only real difference is the yoke which changes from manual to automatic transmissions. As a side note, the C4 and C3 automatic transmissions use different yokes as well.

I have a stock 2.3 in my 78 with the stock 4spd Ford FOG transmission behind it. I did the 8" axle swap and am still using the same drive-shaft.
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2011, 06:04:22 PM »
it was a LONG time ago, but when i put the 289, 4speed (top loader) in the Gold Bee Pangra Race car i used a Herbert and Meek kit, it came with all the mounts including the trans mount and was a total bolt in, the headers were weird but fit. I did have to use a sledge to dimple the firewall at the bellhousing but nothing else. I used a clutch cable but forgot where i got it from and it was reverse mounted and never worked correctly as the fulcrum and ratio made the pedal so stiff a bodybuilder whould have trouble with it. the bellhousing was from a '65 Mustang and Shelby flywheel and clutch. the floor was notched to fit the hurst vertigal gate shifter. I finally ended up putting a built C-4 with 2800 stall converter in it and had lots of fun. Pic's of the car is in my galley pictures. I also had to notch the front radiator support to get a Mustang II V-8 Radiator in it, also switched to electric fans due to clearance problems. That's as about as much as i remember on it now, this was in 74 so the memory fades, i'm sure others on here have more recent experience than I do. Good luck. Oh, sub frame connectors, slapper bars and a 6 point cage helped stiffen my Pangra.