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72 pangra v8 swap questions
« on: November 03, 2011, 10:03:41 PM »
let me start off with what i have, My father and I have a 72 pinto Pangra, automatic (non turbo). the car has atleast the stage 2 (suspension and body effects). the drivetrain has all been removed, we are planning for a manaul swap with a 67 289 with 302 heads using a Ranger rear end. i am having problems with the frame mounts, how do i get the small block mounts to work? i also have the wrong smll block bellhousing(c5ta-6394-a).  i would like to use the four speed out of a pinto.

- attached is a picture of the best frame mounts i have found (attached pic) ... thoughts on them?
- which bellhousing do i need?
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- i know hedmen has a set of headers that would work, so does hooker, which will work best for a 72?

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2011, 10:19:39 PM »
I would use an engine plate or build some brackets that go from the frame to the heads. The only issue with that, though, is the lack of motor mount and it would vibrate like crazy! I have heard of people using Mustang II mounts (two passenger side mounts with minor relocation of the frame mounts), but others have also said it does not work.

I am assuming you are using a front sump pan on that motor, which will help, but you may need to push the motor forwards to clear the cross member (without notching it) due to the pan sump "slant/drain" being angled to much. This is why the Mustang II pan is so desired for this swap.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2011, 11:51:39 PM »
i have the pinto v8 book off ebay which suggest engine plates, that is not an option for me. i also have no problem running a notched oil pan and (or) front sump, the engine needs to remain as far back as possible for the best weight distribution.

i do not reccommend that book to anyone, it is very vague.

i know mustang II motor mounts will work, im just concerned with the corresponding frame mounts.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2011, 12:35:40 AM »
Not to sure about the frame mounts, I can't tell if those are the original ones for the 2.0 or not either, someone else may know though.

As for the engine sitting as far back as possible, be prepared to modify the firewall. Regardless of the bell you decide to use, you will need to cut out or hammer in the firewall at the entrance to the transmission tunnel for clearance.
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2011, 05:36:04 AM »
302 will likely rip the stock Pinto trans to pieces.

Motor mounts: http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/302-motor-mounting/

Five pages in that topic alone......

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2011, 10:08:34 AM »
Can you post a picture of the car ? I would like to see it.
 
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2011, 11:21:45 AM »
i was under the impression that it was common the run the small block ford with the pinto 4spd?

Thankyou reeves1 for that link, ive been reading several threads similar to that one, and i want to get the frame mounts correct because im not looking to twist it. i had a long conversation with a man who raced dirt track pintos and he was very concerned with my plans because the frame reinforcement ends about an inch forward of the original 4cyl frame mounts. this car is going to be a street car, not a DD but more of a weekend toy. ive been talking to Cookieboy and Fred morgan trying to get a handle on mounting my v8 into the car (a great thanks to them for being so open!)

i have many pictures of the car and of our tear down process turbopinto72, what do your frame mounts look like in your 289 pinto? what trans are you running?

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2011, 12:07:07 PM »
i want to get the frame mounts correct because im not looking to twist it. i had a long conversation with a man who raced dirt track pintos and he was very concerned with my plans because the frame reinforcement ends about an inch forward of the original 4cyl frame mounts. this car is going to be a street car, not a DD but more of a weekend toy.

how much horse power are you planning for this V8 you want to install????
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2011, 12:17:16 PM »
its a 67 289 .030 over, with hypereutectic pistons, flat tappot with a holley intake/carb with 302 heads ... nothing crazy for a v8


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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2011, 12:21:19 PM »
so... are you thinking 200hp? more? I don't know enough about enging building and parts to know based on your description how much HP to expect out of that build.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2011, 12:30:10 PM »
im anticipating close to 300hp, that may be over estimating but id rather be safe than sorry

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2011, 01:01:11 PM »
it's my understanding that if you do not want to twist the car with lots of HP... it's rear frame connectors you should be looking into... not motor mounts
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2011, 01:07:35 PM »
im not expressing my question in the right way, the motor mounting system has two parts. an engine side, and the corresponding frame side, i do not understand how the frame side is made/modified/bought .... the stock pinto frame mounts are far to narrow to hold a v8...

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2011, 01:14:40 PM »
By the looks of the mounts, someone has installed later (74 and up) 2.3 mounts, I'd suggest removing those mounts and installing Mustang II or making your own mount,
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2011, 01:18:14 PM »
I think you should take a look at this thread, it may help...

here ~>http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/71-v8-swap-let-the-fun-begin!!/

one thing to keep in mind is that you have a 1972... the 71-73 have a smaller engine bay than the 74 and up Pintos so fitting the V8 in an early Pinto has special considerations . 71pintoracer's build may help you quite a bit and answer a few questions for you.
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2011, 01:38:20 PM »
he used a t-5 and had to do extensive work to the fire wall ... is there any way i can avoid that .... i kind of suspect thats the bellhousing i have x_x

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2011, 02:24:14 PM »
Here is a picture of my motor mounts.  They are MustangII.  I saw this car on craigslist, I was going to buy this with a freind and you snatched it up, nice purchase, good luck with the build and I hope to see this car at Carlisle or on a Stampede down the road.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2011, 02:27:55 PM »
send me an email and I will send you a bigger picture. Brian was right, you will need sub frame connectors and I can give you some feedback on how to work this street legal and driveable.  it is easy to make these tough to handle if you go too big.  Your set up should produce somewhere between 220-280 horsepowerd depending on how you build it. More if you put a supercharger, turbo or really port everything and go big with intake and exhaust.  Room wil be your enemy on that sida though. bosspinto@pintostampede.com

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2011, 02:44:30 PM »
he used a t-5 and had to do extensive work to the fire wall ... is there any way i can avoid that .... i kind of suspect thats the bellhousing i have x_x

the 302 and t5 in my pangra use a front mount engine plate vs. motor mounts in the standard location... I have a call into the previous owner to see if they had to modify the firewall or tunnel for the t5. I know he didn't build it, had professionals do the work, but he may know. I don't recall anything on the firewall looking out of place, never looked at the tunnel... waiting for a call back from him and will let you know...
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2011, 02:47:06 PM »
thankyou cookieboy, another question, does the blower motor coil stick into the fire wall? on the left side, if you are facing the firewall, does that hit the head on the motor?

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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2011, 03:08:02 PM »
thankyou cookieboy, another question, does the blower motor coil stick into the fire wall? on the left side, if you are facing the firewall, does that hit the head on the motor?

here is a picture of my motor/blower motor
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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2011, 04:57:43 PM »
I have a call into the previous owner to see if they had to modify the firewall or tunnel for the t5.

in the case of my Pangra V8 setup with 302 and t5 - firewall and tunnel did not need to be modified. His words were.... slid right in
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2011, 02:46:07 PM »
good good, than i think that is going to become the new plan, according to the web, c5ta-6394-a is a 351 bellhousing to a 4spd toploader (pinto trans will obviously not bolt up to that) and to my understanding neither will a t-5 ... in my opinion ... this is overly complicated haha ... suggestions? i got it all off craigslist, ill just turn around and sell it again.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2011, 04:03:27 PM »
Do you need a V8 T5 bell housing? I have one I don't need since I'm running an automatic. It came with a tranny I bought for my wifes Mustang we had several years ago.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2011, 04:29:42 PM »
will it bolt up to my 289? ... hydro  clutch or cable,

we are running cable clutch.

how far away are you from PA?

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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2011, 07:40:13 PM »
I'm in Az. It's a small block bell so it will fit anything Windsor. I'll have to take a good look at it since I just pulled the tranny off and set it aside. I'll get a look at it and let you know.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2011, 11:03:54 AM »
so what you have is a small block to t-5 bellhousing, could you get me the part # so i have a good idea of what to look for, id buy it but shipping from AZ would probably be out of this world.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2011, 08:47:58 PM »
If its something would actually use you can have it...didn't cost me anything and I'd just wind up selling it for scrap anyways.

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Re: 72 pangra v8 swap questions
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2011, 07:53:50 PM »
Send it Parcel Post for 12 or 13 bucks. I bought an '89 Mustang T5 off Craigslist for $300 & it came with the pull type bell which is the correct one. I think up to '93 will work.
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2011, 09:14:15 PM »
I'll have to take a look at it...I'm not sure if it's a push or pull type bell....glad you said something.